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jotronicMon May-15-06 08:18 AM
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"4411 Grafts by Dr. Wong, one year post-op"


  

          

Keep in mind that I did not take these photos so they are not in front of our familiar blue background however the patient did a fine job of maintaining some consistency with the photos and he did NOT use a flash to add unrealistic density. He has an extensive library of photos that he has taken, some with flash, however the variety of shots that he has taken shows everything that you'd want to see, flash, no flash, sun, indoors etc. Btw, these shots are outside in the sun.

Closure on the donor was NOT trichophytic but our previous standard closure.

Note the early growth at only three months. We feel that simply leaving the grafts alone post-op is the best route to take.










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The Truth Is In The Results

7917 FU Grafts

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Four month shots and donor shots
May 15th 2006
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RE: Four month shots and donor shots
May 15th 2006
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where is the donor strip
May 16th 2006
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RE: 4411 Grafts by Dr. Wong, one year post-op
May 15th 2006
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A word on meds...
May 15th 2006
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Results
May 15th 2006
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      RE: Results
May 15th 2006
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      RE: Results
May 15th 2006
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           RE: Results
May 15th 2006
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                RE: Results
May 15th 2006
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                     RE: Results
May 17th 2006
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      RE: Results(notanewbie)
May 15th 2006
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           RE: You are mistaken Jotronic
May 16th 2006
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                RE: You are mistaken Jotronic
May 16th 2006
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                     RE: Apologies
May 16th 2006
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jotronicMon May-15-06 08:21 AM
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#1. "Four month shots and donor shots"
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The patient was kind enough to also supply donor area shots. The shots below are with a #3 guard.

Growth is fantastic at four months too.





Joe Tillman
aka, Jotronic
Hasson & Wong
www.hassonandwong.com
www.hairtransplantmentor.com
Joe@HassonandWong.com

1.800.859.2266

The Truth Is In The Results

7917 FU Grafts

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scarred1Mon May-15-06 09:07 AM
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#3. "RE: Four month shots and donor shots"
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I am very impressed with the donor shots. Extremely good closure in my opinion.

  

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HanginInthereTue May-16-06 07:51 PM
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#14. "where is the donor strip"
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is it that white area that is very high up
if so to me it is noticeable, and not negligable

also why is it so high up,,,,,,,,,if that is not it, then I cant tell where it is


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SchmoeMon May-15-06 08:41 AM
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#2. "RE: 4411 Grafts by Dr. Wong, one year post-op"
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biscuits results are just awesome.

  

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jotronicMon May-15-06 09:42 AM
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#4. "A word on meds..."
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Mon May-15-06 09:43 AM by jotronic

  

          

I think it is also important to note that this patient takes no Proscar, Avodart etc. so the results you see are not from medication taken in tandem with the surgery.

Joe Tillman
aka, Jotronic
Hasson & Wong
www.hassonandwong.com
www.hairtransplantmentor.com
Joe@HassonandWong.com

1.800.859.2266

The Truth Is In The Results

7917 FU Grafts

  

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notanewbieMon May-15-06 04:51 PM
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#5. "Results"
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I think its even more important to show some of the Yahoos on this board what kind of scarring you get on a virgin scalp when the Dr's are the best in the business.

That haircut is as short as any one of us would need to go, any shorter and the guy wouldnt have needed a HT, he should have just shaved it like Kojak.

That scar is imperceptable and Jo, please chime in, I would venture to guess it was closed without TRI closure..correct?

Again, strip results in the right hands provide growth rates second to NONE and scarring is almost always a non issue on virgin scalps.

VERY NICE WORK!

  

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johnpMon May-15-06 05:22 PM
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#6. "RE: Results"
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Another one with good yield. Nice.

Notanewbie, if this donor is acceptable to you, then you shouldn't have any problems with fue white dots either. This guy wears his hair long enough to cover most strip scars and white dots, don't you agree?

  

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notanewbieMon May-15-06 06:37 PM
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#7. "RE: Results"
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Mon May-15-06 06:41 PM by notanewbie

          

In theory you would be correct but in reality you are not.

First of all, you wouldnt get the same results from FUE as you got from this strip surgery. Have you ever seen FUE results this good with this type of density?

Secondly, his donor density is average at best. By performing FUE you would have thinned out the donor even further. By performing strip on this patient, his donor density is essentially the same as it was before surgery.

So, I think this was the perfect decsion for this patient and the number of grafts he got from strip would have severely depleted his donor, cost him 3-4 times as much money, required him to spend days and many hours in a chair as well as required him to shave his entire head.

By taking 4500 via FUE his donor would me maxed out. By doing strip and taking 4500, he now has the option to go back and take 3-4000 more FUE grafts should he need them, or risk doing another strip and having the scar stretch the second time.

This is why I always advocate a hybrid of strip first and FUE later for all virgin scalps. Higher yield, more cost effective, better resutls, faster turnaround and the ability to extract far more grafts than either method alone.

  

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pharoBoyMon May-15-06 06:58 PM
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>Secondly, his donor density is average at best. By performing
>FUE you would have thinned out the donor even further. By
>performing strip on this patient, his donor density is
>essentially the same as it was before surgery.

This can't be true. The number of hair follicles on his non-bolding scalp area has been reduced.
The skin stretches to cover the same area it did before the procedure. Density is the number of hairs per unit area. The number of hairs has been reduced, and the area remains the same. If you think the scalp area has been reduced, I think you need to reconsider. THE SKIN STRETCHES. May be the scar doesn't, but the areas surrounding it, will.

  

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notanewbieMon May-15-06 11:21 PM
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#10. "RE: Results"
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There have been before and after density measurements taken and the amount of grafts per cm/sq are essentially the same before and after a strip was taken.

YES, of course the number of grafts have been reduced by taking thousands from a strip in the donor but, the amount of grafts/density per cm/sq remains the same.

Do you think that the skin streches so much that the grafts become significantly spaced apart? Doesnt the laxity return and the grafts then recompact themselves?

Assuming they did not, how far around the scalp do you think this stretch effects? The entire scalp? Directly above/below the scarline? the entire donor area?

So, even if this "theory" were true, the amount of spacing would be insignificant and the amount of donor area effected would aslo be insignificant.

  

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pharoBoyWed May-17-06 02:51 AM
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what you're trying to prove is illogical.

The surface area of the scull is the same. After you take hair out, you cover the scull with the remaining skin. THE SKIN HAS TO STRETCH in order to cover the same skull surface area. Hence either the scar stretches, the hairline on back of the head moves up (less likely and who wants that!), or the area surrounding the scar stretches (best you hope for)
The final conclusion is the same, you have less hair in your donar to cover the same skull surface area.

I don't really understand how could you propose that the skin doesn't stretch ??? how else would you cover the same exact skull??

  

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jotronicMon May-15-06 09:22 PM
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#9. "RE: Results(notanewbie)"
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Correct, this was before tricho was added to our standard procedures.

Joe Tillman
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Hasson & Wong
www.hassonandwong.com
www.hairtransplantmentor.com
Joe@HassonandWong.com

1.800.859.2266

The Truth Is In The Results

7917 FU Grafts

  

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temboTue May-16-06 12:51 AM
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#11. "RE: You are mistaken Jotronic"
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It will matter because:

-- some people have thick and long body hair for BHT, but insufficient donor hair at the back of their heads to get great results with solely strip HT.

-- some people hate a strip scar irrespective of how thin it is (e.g, that Brass and Stupid guy).

-- some people lose donor hair as they age, (so donor hair is not always permanent irrespective of Propecia and other drug use, as you guys mistakenly seem to assume and deceive people with).

Just because you guys don't offer FUE or BHT doesn't mean you can ignore these facts, especially the fact that donor hair is NOT ALWAYS PERMANENT, so you should always expect your strip scar to show in older age irrespective of shaving your head or not.

I have seen that in most guys body hair doesn't decline into their 50s, but almost every balding person sees some donor hair reduction with age.

As more BHT results come out, educated patients will know the amazing new possibilities.

http://www.darkskinlaser.com/BodyHairTransplants.html

  

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jotronicTue May-16-06 01:09 AM
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#12. "RE: You are mistaken Jotronic"
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Tembo,

Why don't you post this in the correct thread then I'll respond to it. I'd rather not hijack this thread showing great results.

Joe Tillman
aka, Jotronic
Hasson & Wong
www.hassonandwong.com
www.hairtransplantmentor.com
Joe@HassonandWong.com

1.800.859.2266

The Truth Is In The Results

7917 FU Grafts

  

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temboTue May-16-06 02:53 AM
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#13. "RE: Apologies"
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Dunno how I posted it here by mistake.

http://www.darkskinlaser.com/BodyHairTransplants.html

  

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