6022 grafts in one session by Dr. Hasson & team. No sprays, no voodoo, just great growth from a great hair transplant at only six months. Angles of the hairline are plainly visible and are in the correct direction and angle. Grafts were placed in the front half of the scalp for high density in the entire area. The crown was not touched but has improved since the patient began Proscar a day after surgery. Donor was closed with tricho.

Joe Tillman
aka, Jotronic
Hasson & Wong
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Wonderful work once again! That is a gigantic amount of grafts and I imagine that only very few are candidates for such big surgeries. By the way how long does such a procedure take? It is clear that if you want results the amount of hair transplanted is the deciding factor in the final result. The rest is somewhat secondary!

the problem in most cases of strip is that one surgery is usually not enough, granted it is great work and they are great docs but this guy will need another strip, which will increase the chance of donor scarring. If he had opted for fue he will never have to worry about a scar stretching, he can work out in a week and he can shave his head, i am sorry but it is not worth it imho.

>the problem in most cases of strip is that one surgery is
>usually not enough, granted it is great work and they are
>great docs but this guy will need another strip, which will
>increase the chance of donor scarring. If he had opted for fue
>he will never have to worry about a scar stretching, he can
>work out in a week and he can shave his head, i am sorry but
>it is not worth it imho.

Why will he need another surgery? Let me emphasize one major point. He's at six months post-op. If I had said nothing one would easily guess he's one year out.

I hate to be blunt here but had he opted for FUE he would be back in the chair several times over and the result would still not be the same. With the route he chose, he doesn't even think about his hair six months after his ONLY procedure. His scar is undetectable and he has no plans, like most, to shave his head especially because of his position in life.

Attached is another photo showing a shot of his hair gelled and a closeup of the hairline. His hair not only looks dense it acts like it is dense because it IS dense. It's as if he never lost any hair in the front and on top and only thinning in the crown.

Note regarding all the pics. They are all taken under direct overhead flourescent lighting and no flash was used either. This guy looks even better in person.

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Hasson & Wong
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If everyone had the same fears as you, then patients like this would never have had a strip.

No FUE results are as good as strip..period.

As far as this patient goes, lets asssume for a moment he is scared shitless and chooses to never do a strip again.

1. He got results from this strip that are far better than FUE.
2. He saved $50,000 or more doing strip first
3. He has no visible scar
4. He has a donor area that is 100% as dense as it was before his strip and not thinned out as it would be had he chosen FUE
5. He can always go forward and do FUE later

If he does choose FUE down the road, he would not risk the scar stretching and would have spent far less money, not had to shave his head bald, not have to miss countless days of work while being operated on, not have to wait 2 months for his shaved hair to grow back, completly hide his strip scar immediately post op, Oh, and did I mention vastly superior results?

How anyone can argue this is beyond me. The only and I mean ONLY issue you have is with scarring and based on the work H&W are doing on virgin scalps, its a non issue.

I WISH I HAD KNOWN ABOUT H&W 10 YEARS AGO!!

Not the best I have seen. Considering that he had 6000 grafts strip, the improvement should have been more dramatic. Compare this to hdc's 2500 grafts pic in the above thread, this is not good yield.

What an ignorant post. The guy's only at 6 months!

Arrogant how ? For speaking the truth ? I am not here to pump any doctor. Hasson and Wong do good work but this is definitely not one of the best I have seen from them.

He said "ignorant" not "arrogant". Yield has nothing to do with it in this case. This guy and the one that you pointed out in another post have entirely different hair characteristics. True, 6000+ grafts seems like a lot for this result, but you have to take into account the fact that this guy does not have the great hair characteristics as the HDC patient.

Jtelecom

Reddyfreddy,

First, I know you are not here to pump up any docs so I appreciate your honest opinion. I wrote this before but I'll repeat it because it is necessary. I know a lot of people just look at the numbers, then the pics, and make a judgement call.

Our patient has as close to original density as one could possibly get in one session. It is a six month result. He can already gel his hair and look like he's never lost any hair. I hope you understand that this means that it will get better and better over the next six months.

With all due respect to HDC and the patient that is being shown their results are not anywhere near as dense as the photos portray. They are using a flash for the hairline shots. This means that the density is about half ( or worse) in real life. What you are seeing is not a possibility with 2500 grafts and will not stand up to an outdoor test or a flourescent overhead lighting test with no flash involved. I'm talking no shadows, no flash, no low lighting. I guarantee this.

On top of this the patient shown by HDC already has a significant amount of hair in the recipient area whereas our patient was clean. The HDC patient's hairline is his own natural hairline that was in place before the procedure and all grafts were placed behind it. Note how the placement and shape of the hairline is unchanged. Make no mistake, I think the work looks good. It's just that the photos do not show the reality of the situation.

I want it to be perfectly clear here. When I post photos there is nothing left to the imagination. When I started to officially work in this industry I wanted to make sure that any photos I posted of patients from this clinic were as true to life as possible. To be honest, I feel that Hairsite (as well as all forums) should implement a no flash rule for any photos being posted by clinics because it really does skew the results and can be misleading, intentionally or not. I know that by not using flash I may be putting my clinic at a disadvantage. Even with this in mind I think our results are by far and above consistently better across the board. I stand by my ethics and policy of showing only the true to life results as closely as possible and because I know what this guy looks like in real life and I have the facts on my side I feel confident in putting his results against any other, anywhere, anytime.

Joe Tillman
aka, Jotronic
Hasson & Wong
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www.hairtransplantmentor.com
Joe@HassonandWong.com

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Nice result at only 6 months on a fine haired patient. Can i ask what the age of the patient is?

Also Joe I think if you could come up with a formula to work out the size of the procedure before the operation ,based on a measured laxity and a measured density, it would make the decision much easier
to make .

Compare this to Wolf, I think Wolf did a much better job with only 1800 grafts. I'd expect to see more hair with 6022 grafts, that's more than 3 times of what Wolf used.

http://www.hairsite4.com/dc/dcboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=12&topic_id=36306&mode=full

jotronic said - Our patient has as close to original density as one could possibly get in one session. It is a six month result. He can already gel his hair and look like he's never lost any hair. I hope you understand that this means that it will get better and better over the next six months.



Yes helpmehair great result from dr wolf but nowhere near original density as is the goal of the h&w patient.

Helpmeout,

No doubt, Dr. Wolf did a fine job. Look closer though. Shaved head before, grown out after. It makes a clear visual impact on the results. Look at the lighting. A bit low with a low contrast background. Also, there is plenty of hair in the frontal forelock area that is shaved, as well. It makes a difference when it is grown out with the new grafts. Finally, with respect to the patient, the results are rather see-through and would not stand up to neither sunlight nor overhead flourescent lighting tests, which so many of you find to be of importance. Both procedures addressed the same basic area, however, our patient is done with a density that is a return to his pre-hairloss status. Too many times you hear about results that are "see-through," or where you can "see scalp". This simply is not the case with our patient as he can wear any style he wants. There is no "illusion" of density or coverage. It is simply there.

These are some of the ultimate goals of hair restoration (i.e., density, coverage) that has been met, again, in one session.

Joe Tillman
aka, Jotronic
Hasson & Wong
www.hassonandwong.com
www.hairtransplantmentor.com
Joe@HassonandWong.com

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Jotronic,
Just keeping posting the results, they look great. Let the naysayers and critics be just and only that, as I don't think they will ever be satisfied. H&W does outstanding work bar none, regardless of whether it is strip, FUE etc. Keep up the good work, H&W keeps hope alive for my thinning head.

tiredofthenegativity,

Thanks for your support and I'm glad we give you hop I've been there before myself.

Marine,

I *THINK* the density is at least 60 to 70 throughout. Probably closer to 70 near the front though. Not sure completely but it should be close to that.

Helpmeout,

I actually appreciate the comparison and the point you were making. You have to realize however that there is a point of diminishing returns with a case like this. Visually (at least in photos) the results become less dramatic as the graft count increases in a given area. The difference becomes noticeable when you see it in person and see how thick it is. Also, you need to understand that the before/after I posted was an apples to apples comparison. Once simply cannot get a more accurate before/after than what I posted. The hair was about the same length in both photos. The lighting is almost exactly the same. The only differences I cannot control is ambient light differences determined by the time of day. The Wolfe patient had buzzed hair in the before and much longer hair in the after and this aids in the effect. I am not saying this was deliberate as I know the clinic cannot dictate how long or short the hair needs to be when the patient comes in. It is a priviledge to have patients come in much less allow us to use photos. I won't rehash the lightng differences but you get the idea. Bottom line is that this patient can gel his hair, slick it back, turn it into a caesar, part left, part right, whatever he wants.

Jtelecom,

The biggest difference between now and a few months out will be the texture differences and behavior of the hair. It will be a bit softer and easier to style. Some of the hairs are a bit kinky which is normal at this point.

Dens1,

Thank you my frien

Sofarsogood,

Yeah, a 1000 grafts would have been nice in the back but we felt confident his crown would thicken on it's own with meds. We were right and he's very happy with the crown. Btw, I like your signature, I feel the same wa

Pharoh,

There was nothing to save for the back because he has about 4000 left in his donor bank as is.

HTNono,

He's in his mid forties I believe. We can't return all patients to this state in one session because of either limitations of donor or the supply/demand ratio is too high because of other areas of need. We CAN however pull more grafts than other clinics because we've been gearing up for it over the past several years. It's not something that a clinic can just start doing overnight because they want to.

Educobian,

I aim to pleas

Mr. Frodo,

Our patient had his hairline in the before? Nope. It was clean brother. He had a few wispies in the areas behind the hairline but they were cosmetically insignificant. Our patient's hair is maybe a centimeter longer than the befores but overall it is roughly the same length especially compared to the Wolfe patient. His hair was buzzed before and a few inches in the after. As I said above, the difference is in the details and what we've done has allowed this patient to not have to perform any miracles with creative hairstyling. I wish you all could see him in person though. It blew us away to see the density and the overall result. What this represents is the true one pass result.

Joe Tillman
aka, Jotronic
Hasson & Wong
www.hassonandwong.com
www.hairtransplantmentor.com
Joe@HassonandWong.com

1.800.859.2266

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Just out of curiousity, could you estimate what density his recipient was transplanted at? I'm assuming 70+ grafts per cm2?

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March 06 Dr. Umar/1500 Scalp FUE's

Man, those that critisize need to pay better attention to the detail. NO FLASH, NO LOW LIGHTING, under FLUOR LIGHTING, the worst next to natural light. They use none of the tricks used by many DR.'s and their clinics. PLUS... this is 6 mos out. Fast forward this to 12 mos and try to imagine the results. I have never been to H&W, but plan to use them in the future. Their CONSISTENT results, bar none, dance circles around 99% of the other DR.'s results. Back off a little, think it through, realize they are showing the minimum std of what you should expect, strip, FUE, BHT or whatever.

You guys are missing the point. You can't make a direct comparison saying that the patient's 6022 grafts is better than Wolf's 1800, of course it is better, it has to be, it better be. Why did you guys even have to defend that is beyond me. That was never an issue.

The point I was making was that if Wolf can get such great result with only 1800 grafts, then I am disappointed to see that 6022 grafts not looking more impressive. It should have been at least 3 times more impressive than Wolf's 1800 but it is not. Both patients have similar hair loss pattern.

Anyway, not here to fight, too intense around here.

Peace out.

A lot has been made of the "six months" timeframe. In all of my strip procedures, I got darn near full regrowth at 6 months and not much improvement beyond that point. Regardless, this guy's results are outstanding even if he does not "improve" much more over the next six months (which, IMO, he will not). Hell, the guy has a full head of hair NOW - any improvement would surely be a bonus.

Jtelecom

I wish I had gone this route instead of 4 procedures in the frontal part. This guyīs front part is definitely fixed for good.
Great job, H&W!

200 grown out minis/micros from strip session in the 90s
500 FUEs with Dr Gho in two sessions
July 11th, 2005: 2500+ stripFUs with Dr A in India

check the details of my ht-procedure with Dr A under "Dens1":
http://hairsite.com/serendipity/authors/21-De

His hairline and frontal hair look great!
It better after 6000 graphs!

I thought light haired and fair skined folks need LESS graphs to achieve good results?

Why so many graphs in front? Looks like he could have used a thousand or so in back.

Overall though, he is l o o k i n g o o d!

He should be VERY happy!

"Wherever you go, there you are."

http://hairsite.com/serendipity/authors/27-sofarsogood

I don't think the guy needed 6000 grafts. Why did't H&W do only 3000 and save the donar for future work when he really needs it ?

Jotronic,

You say the density is back to that of "pre-hairloss." That is incredible. Great job. But what about future loss, recession. Does he have more grafts? Is he just a great candidate or are you guys able to pull more grafts now to achieve the "pre-hairloss" density from all patients? I'd like to see how the results stand up in water. Anyway, looks great. WHats his age btw???

This is the best set of before-after pictures I have seen.

It is common that the after pictures donīt show the crown as clearly as the before pictures.

i just wish I had the money to get this done.

If I could get just one strip of 6000 i`d do it in a second but a strip of 2500 doesn`t interest me much - i`d rather get fue.

Thats the problem.

I am starting to wonder about the posters in this forum. The HDC guy is way more bald than this patient. This patient still had his hairline in the before shot. The improvement is subtle for over 6000 grafts. The result in the back or crown is negligible. He simply grew his hair longer. That's the only difference. I have seen better H&W result, this is not one of them. Post his pics again in another 6 months.

Good observation. There is no improvement in the crown. If all 6000 were put in the front, he should have gotten better density out of that. That said, everything else is all very natural and undetectable. Good work.

Hi Jotronic,

As I said earlier, he is looking great! Very nice hairline and density.

My question is still...

I thought light haired and fair skinned folks needed LESS graphs to achieve GOOD results?
This gentleman had some decent hair in front in the before shots. Not a NW5 or 6 right?
Why did it take so many graphs to augment his frontal? Just curious.

6000 seems like a whole lot of graphs to put in the front only.
Is it not worth doing a strip these days if you're not going to harvest less than 5 or 6000 graphs?

If so, wow. When I had all my strips done (14!) from 1992-2003, 500 seemed like a lot of graphs to me. But I was on a budget. I'm sure my former Doc (before Dr. Umar) was doing "mega-sessions" but I was indeed trying to "keep up with my hairloss".
I see now how crazy I was to roll those dice, hence my screename.

Finally, as for his donor area scar... I can't see it at all in the pic, Kudos.

As for my signature, I must credit Adventurer/surgeon/rock musician Buckaroo Banzai and his band, the Hong Kong Cavaliers. Peace.

"Wherever you go, there you are."

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Jotronic

His result is really impressive, from the density to his hair line placement, he looks great.

I would like to ask you a question that confuses me about the amount of grafts and density.

If you take a strip say 30cm, from ear to ear by 1.5cm wide. If we assume his natural density is 100 Fu percm2 and his natural groups of hairs per FU are 2.5. This would give a strip area of 45 cm2 and FU amounting to 4500 from the strip, with approximately 11,250 hairs in total.

How do you determine what a graft is? is it a natural growing group of hairs or a manufactured group once removed from the strip; for example 4 hair units cut to 2 hair units.

My former doc would count a graft as a naturally occurring follicular unit (FU), be it a single double or triple hair cluster. Each cluster being counted as one graft.

His techs would cut out the FUs as they occurred in the strip.
That's what I was told anyway. I never got to look under the microscopes or watch the techs cut grafts.

Is this still how docs count them today?

"Wherever you go, there you are."

http://hairsite.com/serendipity/authors/27-sofarsogood

Thanks,

I am just a puzzled to the amount of FU he recieved from the strip; maybe his original density was much greater than average.

I want it to be perfectly clear here. When I post photos there is nothing left to the imagination.

Jotronic,
I think it is well known that I think you might very well be the best Strip clinic out there, however, you make some strong claims here about how your photos are so much better than Dr Wolf's so I should point out some things which I perhaps would not have bothered to do otherwise.

Take a look at the third set of pictures showing the crown. I make the following observations:
1) The hair 'looks' slightly lighter in the 'after' shot.
2) The hair looks longer in the after shot.
3) The hair is 'combed over' the crown in the 'after' shot, in the 'before' shot it is not.

I am not saying the result is not good, it is, but I also think this is a more realistic view of what 6,000 grafts can do on Joe Blow. The guy had a ton of hair before, he had 6,000 grafts and he still does not look 'done'. So on an average NW6 how many do you need - 15,000 ?

Just trying to keep it real, there are a lot of desperate guys out there and I am concerned they will expect too much if they have no better than average characteristics..

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Skywalker,

Your point is similar to what I am driving at above, namely, the slightly misleading nature of pics v. real life appearance. Some of the results presented on these forums are NOT average results, but because of the desperation of the bald man saying such things can get a poster driven out of town. Unfortunately, disappointing results are very much a part of the HT experience for many (if not most) mainly due to hair/ donor/ healing limitations and REGARDLESS of how good a doctor is compared to his peers. The bottom line is that Elvis ain't comin back.

6000 grafts will vary from person to person. If the person has thin straight light hair it will look much worse someone who has thick dark wavy hair. So it is really not fair to say that this is not a good result without taking into consideration what type of hair this person has. I have seen some good candidates of H&W who had thick dark hair and were NW6 and after 6500 grafts had total coverage (inclucing crown) with decent density. So I think more emphasis should be placed on the placement of the hairs and the yield.

The pics at the top of this thread are of a man who is obviously on propecia. The circumference of even the wreath hairs has increased noticeably.

Claiming there is "no vodoo" is an outright lie.

Ive been around the hairloss game for years now, and can tell propecia's effect. The bald spot has even lost some ground from the "south" as it were, without transplantation back there. Only one drug can do that. Propecia.

jotronic said - The crown was not touched but has improved since the patient began Proscar a day after surgery.

benji for your information a quarter tab of proscar equals approx 1 tab of propecia. same drug, different dosage.

joe

Actually Jotronic did say that and I for one admit that I missed it, but frankly I do not see the point when posting the result of an HT in showing areas where no grafts were placed !! It was certainly not deliberately misleading to show the crown pictures - but it IS misleading.
Where are the 6,000 grafts then???? Seems to me 6 months must be too early to show pictures in this case.

No sprays, no voodoo, just great growth from a great hair transplant at only six months

This is a factually inaccurate statement, and to say this whilst moaning about other peoples photographs is ridiculous. Remember that on the occasions when finasteride works really well it seems it can change the growth and calibre of all the grafts in the recipient area.

I think in the past H&W have shown excellent pictures and have commented on that fact many times - but this is not an example. The bottom line is if you want to claim that your photography is truly excellent and is better than others then you have to be very careful about what you post.

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