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jotronicTue Jun-13-06 08:38 PM
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"Jotronic update, 2.5 years post #3"


  

          

Long time since I've done this but I've received a few more requests lately for outdoor sunshine pics so here ya go. I've got a bit O' gel in my hair in these shots so keep that in mind. I also found an old photo of my scalp before # 1 with Dr. Wong way back in March of 2002. The pitting and graft direction brings back some harsh memories. It's hard to believe I started this almost 4.5 years ago. I'll be having a major update to my site in a few weeks so there will be a more comprehensive update when that happens.

In case you forgot or never knew to begin with:

First photo is showing 300 mini grafts after I progressed to a NW6. Rest of the photos show 7917 grafts over three big sessions and a few guinea pig sessions (FUE/BHT)


Joe Tillman
aka, Jotronic
Hasson & Wong
www.hassonandwong.com
www.hairtransplantmentor.com
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The Truth Is In The Results

7917 FU Grafts

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           more pics ?
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           nice results jo
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                To educobian, round two
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                     Very well said Jo !
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                          Agreed, but BHT may well develop.
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Dino29Tue Jun-13-06 09:43 PM
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#1. "RE: Jotronic update, 2.5 years post #3"
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Looks like your HT has ended up in success.

Congrats mate.

Im assuming the largest 7000+ grafts were Strip FU. As im sure to acheive results like these would require a Strip Ht.

just curious.

  

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jotronicTue Jun-13-06 09:54 PM
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#2. "RE: Jotronic update, 2.5 years post #3"
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Dino,

If I am understanding you correctly you are asking if the majority of my grafts are scalp grafts via strip. If so, then most definitely yes. Almost all of them. I had three procedures with Dr. Wong each between 2400 and 2500 grafts. If I had not had two bad strips before him then I would probably have reached this point in two sessions. Also, the really big sessions had not started in 2002 so I was a bit early I guess.

Joe Tillman
aka, Jotronic
Hasson & Wong
www.hassonandwong.com
www.hairtransplantmentor.com
Joe@HassonandWong.com

1.800.859.2266

The Truth Is In The Results

7917 FU Grafts

  

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Dens1Tue Jun-13-06 10:14 PM
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#3. "RE: Jotronic update, 2.5 years post #3"
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your procedures have always been a great inspiration to my personal ht-route
I guess you´re probably the most famous ht celebrity on the forums.

200 grown out minis/micros from strip session in the 90s
500 FUEs with Dr Gho in two sessions
July 11th, 2005: 2500+ stripFUs with Dr A in India

check the details of my ht-procedure with Dr A under "Dens1":
http://hairsite.com/serendipity/authors/21-De

  

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SchmoeTue Jun-13-06 10:22 PM
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#4. "RE: Jotronic update, 2.5 years post #3"
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no doubt Jo your results are awesome..

personally what are YOUR views on your current results? is it dense enough that you're happpy with it or do you look in the mirror and say "i could use more density here, etc.."?




>your procedures have always been a great inspiration to my
>personal ht-route
>I guess you´re probably the most famous ht celebrity on the
>forums.

  

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jotronicWed Jun-14-06 01:31 AM
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#5. "RE: Jotronic update, 2.5 years post #3"
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Wed Jun-14-06 01:44 AM by jotronic

  

          

Dens1,

You're too kind.

Schmoe,

Hair greed is an easy thing to acquire and I do have a bit of it. Sometimes I think about having more but at the end of the day I realize that it is enough to say that I am not bald. I have the appearance of a full head of hair most of the time. Mission accomplished.

As far as density goes, well, I believe fittest was the one to push the term "illusion of density" more than anyone. The illusion of density can only be achieved with real coverage and the lateral slit technique allows for this. With coverage, there is no illusion and with good coverage comes the "illusion" of density. My case may be different because I've had so many grafts but it is not original density for sure. It looks like it sometimes though like when it's wet.



Joe Tillman
aka, Jotronic
Hasson & Wong
www.hassonandwong.com
www.hairtransplantmentor.com
Joe@HassonandWong.com

1.800.859.2266

The Truth Is In The Results

7917 FU Grafts

  

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Edward_ScissorFolliclesWed Jun-14-06 04:43 AM
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#6. "RE: Jotronic update, 2.5 years post #3"
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Wow, I have to say that your results are probably the best I've seen (from beginning condition to current). I am flabbergasted by how much coverage and density you have achieved with three sessions. I have had three strip procedures too and I have not had anything NEAR the success you've had. In all honesty, when I went for my first session over 6 years ago, I was an ill-informed HT candidate. The doctor who did my first procedure didn't offer me any good advice either. He just took my money and smiled. I've had 3 procedures, with 3 different doctors...3 different ones because I have been unsatisfied enough each time to not go back to any of them. I should have done more homework on who the "good doctors" are. I'm starting to get a good idea of who they are and aren't now, thanks to these forums.

Anywho, thanks for sharing the pics, Jotronic. Seeing pics like those give me hope.

  

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ixanWed Jun-14-06 05:26 AM
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#7. "more pics ?"
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Got more ? You look fantastic, your pics remind me of wassup, you two have similar hair. Who was the doctor who gave you the plugs?

  

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jotronicWed Jun-14-06 08:27 PM
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#18. "To Ed Scissors"
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Edward,

I understand your predicament but don't bash yourself on the head for not doing more research. Six years ago the amount of information online was minimal. You did what you thought was best based on what a doctor told you. Use wise judgement based on what you've learned by reading and participating and you'll turn out for the best.

Joe Tillman
aka, Jotronic
Hasson & Wong
www.hassonandwong.com
www.hairtransplantmentor.com
Joe@HassonandWong.com

1.800.859.2266

The Truth Is In The Results

7917 FU Grafts

  

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supaflyhairguyWed Jun-14-06 03:24 PM
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#12. "RE: Jotronic update, 2.5 years post #3"
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Are you satisfied to the point of not opting for HM when it becomes available to the public? By the way, your results are phenomenal. When I think of the best Ht's, from start to finish, I think of Wassup; I think of you as well. Cheers.

  

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jotronicWed Jun-14-06 08:32 PM
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#20. "To Supafly"
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Like your handle, man. Am I done? I get this question all the time and the answer remains the same. Never say never. I have more if I want it but I'm hanging onto my cards for now.

As far as HM goes, it's not even on my mind because as unfortunate as this may sound I don't think anyone will be getting it for a long long time. I don't mean to sound like a pessimist but HM and cloning are not government funded research projects. It's funded by private enterprise and *if* it becomes available it'll make FUE seem as expensive as prime real estate in New Orleans.

Joe Tillman
aka, Jotronic
Hasson & Wong
www.hassonandwong.com
www.hairtransplantmentor.com
Joe@HassonandWong.com

1.800.859.2266

The Truth Is In The Results

7917 FU Grafts

  

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HanginInthereWed Jun-14-06 05:36 AM
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#8. "dens that link"
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doesnt work


Hangin Daily Regimen
1)Maxi Hair by Country Life, 2
2)Kal... Amino Max 2(multi mineral) 2

DHT INHIBITORS(blockers)
3)Saw Palmetto extract 320mg standardized
4)Pygeum 500mg
5)Nettles Leaf Powder 500mg
6)Beta Sitosterol 60mg (Doctor's A-Z Formula)

  

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RedMan77Wed Jun-14-06 06:35 AM
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#9. "nice results jo"
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by the way jo nice results man. how much down time did you have to take off from work after getting the hairline or the most noticeable parts done?

Internals:
Borage Oil
Black Currant Oil
Fish Body Oil w/GLA
Beta Sitosterol
MegaMen Multivitamin
Maxi Hair

Topicals:
Kirkland's Minox %5
Folligen Cream
T-Gel
American Crew Revitalizing Spray

  

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jotronicWed Jun-14-06 08:40 PM
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#21. "To Redman77"
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Thank you. I took maybe a day off. You see, I realized early on that six months after I had the procedure no one would remember it. I was right. I went to work two days after the procedure back into a sales office environment. I worked as a mix of inside/outside sales in the IT industry and was frequently on the Microsoft campus, Amazon etc. in the Seattle area. I just didn't care. At the office they had a betting pool on when the hair would start to grow.

Two days after my second procedure I switched offices where no one knew me and I had already buzzed my hair to a #2 while the staples were in so they were very obvious. I got a few odd looks and eventually one woman asked me, after a few cocktails, if I had had brain surgery or something. I smiled and said "yes". I eventually fessed up but couldn't resist the opportunity to mess with someone. By #3 I was working for the docs so I obviously fit right in with the surroundings.

Joe Tillman
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Hasson & Wong
www.hassonandwong.com
www.hairtransplantmentor.com
Joe@HassonandWong.com

1.800.859.2266

The Truth Is In The Results

7917 FU Grafts

  

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Dens1Wed Jun-14-06 03:31 PM
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#13. "RE: dens that link"
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I just noticed myself, well Hairsite provided that link in another thread and you´re supposed to find a list with all patients of Dr A including my procedure, since I only copied and pasted it I thought it would work, too.
Anyhow, go to hair..loss,,help and check my website there

200 grown out minis/micros from strip session in the 90s
500 FUEs with Dr Gho in two sessions
July 11th, 2005: 2500+ stripFUs with Dr A in India

check the details of my ht-procedure with Dr A under "Dens1":
http://hairsite.com/serendipity/authors/21-De

  

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#15. "RE: dens that link"
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i got the one from hairsite bookmarked lets see if this works when i paste it

http://www.hairsite4.com/dc/dcboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=12&topic_id=39865&mesg_id=39865&page=

  

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#16. "RE: dens that link"
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>i got the one from hairsite bookmarked lets see if this works
>when i paste it
>
>http://www.hairsite4.com/dc/dcboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=12&topic_id=39865&mesg_id=39865&page=


Sorry, you can try this, just go to Dr. Arvind's DETAILS and you can find most of Dr. Arvind's patients history, Dens1, 69Sting, Scientist, etc etc.....

http://www.hairsite.com/hair-transplantation.htm

HairSite.com
email: hairsite@aol.com
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Disclaimer: I am NOT a doctor. Please do not consider anything you read from this website or any of the forums as medical advice.

  

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#17. "RE: dens that link"
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Thanks David, bookmarked it

  

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#32. "RE: Jotronic update, 2.5 years post #3"
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Congrats Joe !!

Great hair .. Good work ..Enjoy

  

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DexWed Jun-14-06 10:09 AM
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#10. "RE: Jotronic update, 2.5 years post #3"
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Great results by any measure

  

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educobianWed Jun-14-06 11:17 AM
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#11. "RE: Jotronic update, 2.5 years post #3"
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the best word to describe your results is a big WOW!!!!!!

The first photo you post has nothing to do with the following. They seem to be from complete different guys.

I think that right now there are only to ways to go:

1. BHT. not for me cause my donor hair is almost non-existant.

2. Strip. Scary enough to wait for a while to see what comes up.

Enjoy your hair. Really. Amazing result.

  

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#14. "RE: Jotronic update, 2.5 years post #3"
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Jo, nice pics. Did you become a NW6 soon after you had the 300 mini ? It's scary when you think about it. Obviously you were not a NW6 when you had the 300 mini done. I wonder how long after you had the 300 when you became a NW6. Thanks.

  

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#19. "RE: Jotronic update, 2.5 years post #3"
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Jotronic, how's your strip scar ? Do you have 1 strip scar or a couple?

  

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jotronicWed Jun-14-06 10:42 PM
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#25. "To stitchmeup"
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Wed Jun-14-06 10:42 PM by jotronic

  

          



I originally had two before Dr. Wong. Ever since I've had only one. It's narrow enough for me to hit a #3 on the clippers. I've not tried a #2 as I am not crazy about that length but maybe I'll try it sometime.

Joe Tillman
aka, Jotronic
Hasson & Wong
www.hassonandwong.com
www.hairtransplantmentor.com
Joe@HassonandWong.com

1.800.859.2266

The Truth Is In The Results

7917 FU Grafts

  

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jotronicWed Jun-14-06 10:39 PM
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#24. "To Helpmeout"
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Wed Jun-14-06 10:40 PM by jotronic

  

          

It took me a few years to get to NW6 land. By 25 I was either a class 4 or a class 5 well on my way to 6. Here is a pic showing me at 25 when I was pretending to be an actor.



The loss is kinda hidden by the black stage curtain behind but the loss is clear. I was a close to being a full NW6 by the time I was 27 with only a few wispies on top.

Joe Tillman
aka, Jotronic
Hasson & Wong
www.hassonandwong.com
www.hairtransplantmentor.com
Joe@HassonandWong.com

1.800.859.2266

The Truth Is In The Results

7917 FU Grafts

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jotronicWed Jun-14-06 08:41 PM
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#22. "To educobian"
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Thank you very much. I feel like the pics are from different guys sometimes. I hate this word but it really is surreal.

Keep reading, you'll find the solution that's best for you.

Joe Tillman
aka, Jotronic
Hasson & Wong
www.hassonandwong.com
www.hairtransplantmentor.com
Joe@HassonandWong.com

1.800.859.2266

The Truth Is In The Results

7917 FU Grafts

  

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educobianWed Jun-14-06 10:32 PM
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#23. "RE: To educobian"
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HI jotronic,

I wanted to ask you. If right now you didn´t have any scar would you go the strip way or would you try fue/bht?

Thanks. Eduardo.

  

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jotronicWed Jun-14-06 10:49 PM
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#26. "To educobian, round two"
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Eduardo,

Without a doubt, I'd go strip. My scar is not an issue. Is it perfect? No, because it's not 1mm all the way around but it is not raised, numb, painful or any of the other negatives you hear about. I have full feeling even after all the surgeries I've had.

You have to understand though, I didn't go through this to be able to shave my head. I went through this so that I can have enough hair to style in more than one way. My hair can be cut as short as what most people would want and I have enough hair to pull off perhaps 75% of the hairstyles I would want to try. I can pull off a high and tight (not super tight), a caesar, spiked (somewhat), long, slicked back, parted left or right or a mixture. You won't get that with BHT. I'm not saying BHT is not an option for some but I feel it should be used as a LAST option and NOT offered as an alternative when there is plenty of scalp hair to be used. It simply cannot perform like scalp hair, ever.

Joe Tillman
aka, Jotronic
Hasson & Wong
www.hassonandwong.com
www.hairtransplantmentor.com
Joe@HassonandWong.com

1.800.859.2266

The Truth Is In The Results

7917 FU Grafts

  

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DuckWed Jun-14-06 11:09 PM
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#27. "RE: To educobian, round two"
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Said it once I say it again. Bht is a good filler.!!! And using chest and back hair has proven to be best all around.

  

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#28. "Sometimes it gets ridiculous."
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HI jotronic,

I wanted to ask you. If right now you didn´t have any scar would you go the strip way or would you try fue/bht?

Thanks. Eduardo.


Jotronic has a fantastic result from arguably the best strip operation on the planet, but for goodness sake, he works for them - what the f*ck response do you expect? Whatever his views he could hardly say anything else.




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If you disagree with my opinion I do not mind - I am not paid to post here and I am not a missionary.

  

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#34. "To Skywalker"
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Sun Jun-18-06 11:46 PM by jotronic

  

          

Skywalker,

I say what I think. I am true to being a patient advocate.

How does where I work influence my statements about BHT? Do you think it should be used before scalp hair? Have you seen cases where a BHT patient can pull off several different hair styles? Have you seen cases where it clearly performs like scalp hair in these regards? I haven't and don't expect to.

Joe Tillman
aka, Jotronic
Hasson & Wong
www.hassonandwong.com
www.hairtransplantmentor.com
Joe@HassonandWong.com

1.800.859.2266

The Truth Is In The Results

7917 FU Grafts

  

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jotronicSun Jun-18-06 11:47 PM
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#35. "To Wassup"
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"I agree with you on the comments about only buzzing down so far - I too have gone through this to grow and style my hair multiple ways..."

Because you sir "get it". That is what it is all about. Thanks for the prop

Joe Tillman
aka, Jotronic
Hasson & Wong
www.hassonandwong.com
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The Truth Is In The Results

7917 FU Grafts

  

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wassupSun Jun-18-06 02:37 AM
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#29. "RE: Jotronic update, 2.5 years post #3"
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congrats Joe - you look great man! I remember back when you were getting your first HT with H&W... you've come a long way brotha and have helped out many by sharing your experiences online (especially repair patients)- I love your hairmentor site by the way. I agree with you on the comments about only buzzing down so far - I too have gone through this to grow and style my hair multiple ways - not shave it down almost to the skin but to each his own - we all have different goals... Anyways, congrats again - keep it stylin bro.

wassup

  

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ReadyFreddySun Jun-18-06 04:39 AM
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#30. "RE: Jotronic update, 2.5 years post #3"
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Sun Jun-18-06 04:39 AM by ReadyFreddy

  

          

wassup, Jotronic and Wolf's 1800 are the best pictures I have seen on this board so far. Ironically 2 out of 3 are strips and not fue.

  

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joe-for-hmSun Jun-18-06 04:58 AM
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#31. "RE: Jotronic update, 2.5 years post #3"
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Hey Joe, goes without saying - thats a great result and a credit to Hasson and Wong.

I saw in another post that the Doctor said you had great laxity. If you had a surgery today do you think you would be one of those '6000 grafts in one go' cases ?.

  

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jotronicSun Jun-18-06 11:48 PM
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#36. "To Joe-for-hm"
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Nah, not 6000 as my density was not above average, just the laxity. I would have been a 5000 graft case maybe. It's pure conjecture at this point. If I ask "what if?" too much I might get depresse

Joe Tillman
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Hasson & Wong
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The Truth Is In The Results

7917 FU Grafts

  

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jlgSun Jun-18-06 10:11 PM
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#33. "RE: Jotronic update, 2.5 years post #3"
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Wow,that looks great.Is it possible to see a pic of the back?Anyways thank you for your contribution and congrats.

  

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jotronicSun Jun-18-06 11:51 PM
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#37. "To JLQ"
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Mon Jun-19-06 12:02 AM by jotronic

  

          

Here ya go. These are from a little over a year ago. I will have more on my site in a few weeks witht he update I'm planning. Stay tuned...

http://hairtransplantmentor.com/AdvHTML_Upload/hair-transplant_three_years_new_cut_and_highlight_(7).jpg

http://hairtransplantmentor.com/AdvHTML_Upload/hair-transplant_three_years_new_cut_and_highlight_(2).jpg

Joe Tillman
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Hasson & Wong
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www.hairtransplantmentor.com
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1.800.859.2266

The Truth Is In The Results

7917 FU Grafts

  

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ADPMon Jun-19-06 05:05 AM
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#38. "Hair styles"
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The problem with strip is that you don't have the option to keep it short for those hot muggy summers!

A few weeks ago my hair was a bit long and with summer here I decided to cut my hair very short in the back and sides and keep it a bit longer on top. Its so refreshing to cut your hair shorter during this time of year.

I just like that option BUT you can't do that with a strip!!!


  

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SkywalkerMon Jun-19-06 07:43 PM
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#39. "RE: Hair styles"
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Skywalker,

I say what I think. I am true to being a patient advocate.

How does where I work influence my statements about BHT? Do you think it should be used before scalp hair? Have you seen cases where a BHT patient can pull off several different hair styles? Have you seen cases where it clearly performs like scalp hair in these regards? I haven't and don't expect to.



Jotronic,
actually I was not having a go at you, I was just saying that asking you for an impartial view is naive and ridiculous, and if that is what you are claiming then I am disappointed you would say that.

Please show me an employee of any hair HT clinic that says -

"oh yes our method is not bad but it is inferior to method X and I should have gone for that method instead, I made a mistake"

I think at best for the vast majority of situations BHT should be used with scalp hair. I may not but I sadly have worst characteristics than the vast majority. For some people of course Strip is the right option.

BHT could theoretically be a threat to your employers business in the future and although H&W are so good they will always make money I am afraid you cannot be considered impartial. I am very disappointed that H&W did not try to help develop BHT, and I think on the quiet you are too.

I personally have little doubt you do believe Strip is the way to go, but as your employers are in the Strip business I think you should preface every statement you make about the subject with this (not just at the bottom) as these facts are bound to colour your view, subconsciously over time or otherwise. You personally are a powerful force in the industry and that is the only ethical thing to do.

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If you disagree with my opinion I do not mind - I am not paid to post here and I am not a missionary.

  

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jotronicThu Jun-22-06 03:03 AM
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#40. "RE: Hair styles"
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Skywalker,

I know you weren't having a go at me. You and I get along rather well and I've always enjoyed our discussions but you need to understand one simple thing. I do not work for the docs because I needed the job, that is to be sure. I do so because everything about H&W makes sense to ME. I wouldn't be here if it didn't because then I'd be representing something that I don't believe in and that I simply will not do.

Is BHT right for some? Of course. I've always said it is but ONLY for those that have not utilized scalp hair first. It takes far more grafts from BHT to get even close to the coverage/density not to mention styling ability one can get with scalp hair. I say this based on the limited number of results I've seen thus far from a variety of clinics cranking out BHT patients. Thinner hair shaft diameter, fewer average # of hairs per FU, and an intricately more difficult harvesting process make it best for a secondary consideration when no further options are available. Most of the respected FUE clinics agree with this position.

Body hair simply will not have the advantages of scalp hair. Period.

Joe Tillman
aka, Jotronic
Hasson & Wong
www.hassonandwong.com
www.hairtransplantmentor.com
Joe@HassonandWong.com

1.800.859.2266

The Truth Is In The Results

7917 FU Grafts

  

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DuckThu Jun-22-06 03:14 AM
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#41. "RE: Hair styles"
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Good post Joe.

  

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#42. "Very well said Jo !"
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I agree completety with your statement.

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SkywalkerThu Jun-22-06 01:23 PM
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#43. "Agreed, but BHT may well develop."
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Thinner hair shaft diameter, fewer average # of hairs per FU, and an intricately more difficult harvesting process make it best for a secondary consideration when no further options are available. Most of the respected FUE clinics agree with this position.

Body hair simply will not have the advantages of scalp hair. Period.


I totally agree with all of this, but BHT has one big advantage - it is a completely new source of hair - you are actually increasing the number of hairs on your head for the first time.

How much development of BHT will there be - who knows? I think the progress has been extremely slow up until recently but with prices starting at 4 bucks a graft it is a serious consideration for the future.

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jotronicFri Jun-23-06 05:40 AM
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#44. "RE: Agreed, but BHT may well develop."
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Skywalker,

Yes, it is a new source and THAT is why it is potentially great for patients. The problem is that no matter how much development they do the genetic code of the hair cannot be changed thus it will always grow less hardy than good scalp hair. Yes, it does start at 4.00 a graft in some clinics but when much more is needed to get the desired results achieved by far fewer scalp grafts then the price becomes an issue once again. 4. 00 per graft for, say, 10,000 grafts is still 40K. Again, great potential new source of hair but it just takes more to get what most people (I would think) would consider a cosmetically desired result.

Joe Tillman
aka, Jotronic
Hasson & Wong
www.hassonandwong.com
www.hairtransplantmentor.com
Joe@HassonandWong.com

1.800.859.2266

The Truth Is In The Results

7917 FU Grafts

  

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#45. "RE: Agreed, but BHT may well develop."
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i don't think you can say "it will always grow less hardy than good scalp hair" before more people actually get it done. at this point there are too few cases to determine that body hair will always grow less hardy than scalp hair. i've had people try to tell the difference in mine and they can't

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