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Dr. ArvindMon Sep-11-06 08:05 AM
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"Additional donor area - facial hair"
Mon Sep-11-06 08:13 AM by Dr. Arvind

          

Dear forum readers,
Facial hair is a valuable additonal source of robust donor hair.

Correct methods of harvesting have enabled use of those hair.
We have proceeded cautiously on this path.
The results are very encouraging.

The following is a patient's case who has proceeded with FUSE/fue and BHT with our clinic in stages.
In the last session, he also went for 5 facial hair extractions, along with other hair.
The facial hair were transplanted in a separate, identifiable area.
This was to see the
-growth,
-yield,
-hair characteristics as well as
-donor area healing.
The approach has helped him, and us, judge the best way to use the facial hair.

4 months later, the patient has gone ahead with his FUSE + BHT and has also opted to use a larger # of facial hair from different areas of the beard. Approx 25, this time.



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Please note that we are not encouraging use of facial hair by the medical community in general till fue methods are standardised.
The last thing I would want is that the results of our patient be used to push facial hair transplants by doctors not well versed in our extraction techniques.
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Regards,
Dr. A


Dr.(Capt) Arvind Poswal
Dr. A's Clinic,
A-9,First Floor,
C.R. Park, (Near Nehru Place),
New Delhi-110019, India. www.fusehair.com
e-mail: poswalarvind@yahoo.co.in
Ph- 91-011-26274368,91-098-101-78062
Timings-10a.m.to 5p.m
Scalp & Body hair transplants.

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      RE: Facial hair question for Dr. Poswal
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Recipient area
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Dr. ArvindMon Sep-11-06 08:32 AM
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#1. "Facial donor area - videos"
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Dear forum readers,
I spent a lot of time closely observing the donor area to look for any evidence of visible scarring.
There was none.
The initial procedures where we have performed Facial hair transplants were kept small so that we could observe the donor areas.

To help give readers an idea of what the donor area looks like 4 months later, we recorded videos of the donor areas.

You may view the videoclips at the following links.

http://www.hairsite.com/hair-loss-video/beard-transplant-donor-4-months.wmv

http://www.hairsite.com/hair-loss-video/beard-transplant.wmv

Regards,
Dr. A

Dr.(Capt) Arvind Poswal
Dr. A's Clinic,
A-9,First Floor,
C.R. Park, (Near Nehru Place),
New Delhi-110019, India. www.fusehair.com
e-mail: poswalarvind@yahoo.co.in
Ph- 91-011-26274368,91-098-101-78062
Timings-10a.m.to 5p.m
Scalp & Body hair transplants.

  

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marcoMon Sep-11-06 08:48 AM
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#2. "RE: Facial donor area - videos"
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Thanks for continuing to research in a responsible way. There is not a lot to see but that is the nature of a responsible approach to working on humans in the initial phases of investigation.

Maybe it is worth performing a similarly small procedure and splitting the follicle to multiply and reduce the calibre (and increase the yield) of facial hair since they are so thick??

  

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Dr. ArvindMon Sep-11-06 10:05 AM
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#4. "RE: Additional donor area - facial hair"
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Dear Readers,
This is the close up picture of the facial donor area from where some of the hair follicles were extracted. A 24 gauge needle is juxtaposed for comparison.
The extraction modality is based on the expanding needle principle.





This is the picture of the crown area of the patient.
The black dot marks the area where the facial/beard hair grafts were placed.

Dr.(Capt) Arvind Poswal
Dr. A's Clinic,
A-9,First Floor,
C.R. Park, (Near Nehru Place),
New Delhi-110019, India. www.fusehair.com
e-mail: poswalarvind@yahoo.co.in
Ph- 91-011-26274368,91-098-101-78062
Timings-10a.m.to 5p.m
Scalp & Body hair transplants.

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fueoptionsMon Sep-11-06 02:28 PM
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#7. "RE: Additional donor area - facial hair"
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I have over 100 from DrA on my head and mixed in it looks and feels fine (although i shave my head to a grade 2 or 3)... i am going back to have another 500beard+scalp+bht total around 1500
Dr Arvind splitting may be a good idea for some areas of the scalp do you see this as a good idea

  

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Dr. ArvindMon Sep-11-06 03:55 PM
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#10. "fueoptions"
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>I have over 100 from DrA on my head and mixed in it looks and
>feels fine (although i shave my head to a grade 2 or 3)... i
>am going back to have another 500beard+scalp+bht total around
>1500
>Dr Arvind splitting may be a good idea for some areas of the
>scalp do you see this as a good idea

Dear Fueoptions,
Thanks for your update.
Yours was the first case of facial/beard hair transplant.
I will be looking fwd to meet you once again.

Longitudinal splitting carries the risk of compromising graft integrity.
I suppose, it is one of those ideas that will be tried when the time is ripe. A small test sesion would be the best way to proceed.
For now, I would be reluctant to go for large scale longitudinal splitting of grafts.

Regards,
Dr. A

Dr.(Capt) Arvind Poswal
Dr. A's Clinic,
A-9,First Floor,
C.R. Park, (Near Nehru Place),
New Delhi-110019, India. www.fusehair.com
e-mail: poswalarvind@yahoo.co.in
Ph- 91-011-26274368,91-098-101-78062
Timings-10a.m.to 5p.m
Scalp & Body hair transplants.

  

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JonnyEMon Sep-11-06 08:02 PM
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#12. "RE: Additional donor area - facial hair"
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I would be worried about facial scarring from the extraction.

Minoxidil twice a day
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benjiMon Sep-11-06 02:29 PM
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#8. "Facial hair question for Dr. Poswal"
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Ive never gotten an answer to this, and Ive asked it of many.


Years ago I had a bout of folliculitus. A little swelling on the chin, from hair follicles there (thick beard) being a tad infected, probably from a form of staph bacteria. To release a little swelling and pressure around the chin area................I took a pair of tweezers and "pulled out" 10-15 whiskers. Five or six were all beside each other, and this made a "hole" in my beard. I thought I'd always have that little hairless spot, but it grew back in about 7-8 months.

When I plucked those beard hairs, the roots always came out with them. Bulges were in place. I figured they had to be gone for good, but without exception, they all grew back. Im assuming enough stem-cell material was left in the dermal pocket to regenerate *somehow*.


I have wondered for years why beard hair cannot simply be "plucked" and placed in lateral slit-recipient sites on the head? Have you ever tried this with three or four hairs placed on the "widows peak" to see if it would work?

Dr, Do you know if this has ever been tried? Dr. Gary Hitzig claims he does something like this on his website, but only offers one (lousy) "proof" pic, and has not responded to my email requesting more info/proof that it works.

  

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dastardlyMon Sep-11-06 03:22 PM
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#9. "RE: Facial hair question for Dr. Poswal"
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From what I understand, Hitzig claimed to do this, but other sources (more reliable ones) say that the hairs stayed in the scalp, but led to infection as foreign objects. They didn't grow, and eventually had to be removed to prevent further infection.

Hitzig too, is a notorious butcher, who I believe has been the subject of many court cases, and who employed an unqualified ex-sanitation worker in his surgery as a tech.

If there was anything to this "plucking transplant" idea, others would have tried it by now.

  

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Dr. ArvindMon Sep-11-06 04:04 PM
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#11. "Recipient area"
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Dear forum readers,
We found the grafts had grown in this short a time. 4 of the 5 grafts had already grown and the patient had cut them repeatedly. The 5th graft was just sprouting.

1. Texture/calibre - had not changed till this time,
2. The speed of growth was fast (as in its parent location).




Regards,
Dr. A

Dr.(Capt) Arvind Poswal
Dr. A's Clinic,
A-9,First Floor,
C.R. Park, (Near Nehru Place),
New Delhi-110019, India. www.fusehair.com
e-mail: poswalarvind@yahoo.co.in
Ph- 91-011-26274368,91-098-101-78062
Timings-10a.m.to 5p.m
Scalp & Body hair transplants.

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educobianMon Sep-11-06 09:19 PM
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#13. "RE: Recipient area"
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Dear Dr. A.

I am totally lost with this message.
You talk of taking 5 facil hairs but the photo shows the back of the scalp which is the usual donor site (though a little lower than usual).
Is that facil hair? I thought it would be the beard.

You then mention that you have used beard hair in a second session but provide no photos of that.

I am really interested in a large session of beard hair cause it is the only real solution for me.

I read sometime ago someone who did a complete ht with beard hair and the result was so bad that he had to go back to the doctor to get rid of it.

I wonder what would be the result fo a large scale bht with beard hair done by you.

Thanks. Eduardo.

  

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#14. "RE: Recipient area"
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Dastardly,

I know of a guy who got Dr. Michael Beehner to transplant beard hair that he later wanted out. The beard hair didnt change its characteristics. It grew very well on him, but it was thick, kinky beard hair. He did not have a "Santa Claus" beard (long straight beard follicles) but a 'ZZ-top' beard.

Id be ASTOUNDED if the immune system rejected the hairs, as they have YOUR OWN DNA material and thus be utterly immunologically priveleged.



I do indeed know about Hitzig's reputation. He was doing 80's techniques in the 80's and early 90's techniques in the nineties. So his results back then were no-doubt awful. I imagine he's much better now, but was very dissapointed that his website didn't offer many more patient photos. I didnt even read of his methodologies now (whether he offers FUE, lateral-slit recipient sites, donor sealing, etc.) because I was only interested if he'd had success in his idea.


What I imagine that happened is like Beehner's patient, lots of men, would have good growth, but it would be kinky beard hair that kept its characteristics. A guy would be able to get away with this as a form of either donor exchange if he kept his hair short in the back or have a very good buzz cut if it worked like this guy..................... But he'd need to keep his hair short unless his beard hair grew straight (Santa Claus again).

  

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#15. "RE: Recipient area"
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"I know of a guy who got Dr. Michael Beehner to transplant beard hair that he later wanted out. The beard hair didnt change its characteristics. It grew very well on him, but it was thick, kinky beard hair" Oh yes I saw pics of this patient right before he had the hair removed. Also the strip scar that Beehner did. What was he thinking?

  

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#16. "RE: Facial scaring"
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The removal sites under my chin were totally healed within 4 weeks...just the spaces where the hairs had gone (and i scar quite badly)I believe it may be because the skin is more elastic there

  

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#26. "RE: Recipient area"
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>"Oh yes I saw pics of this patient
>right before he had the hair removed. Also the strip scar that
>Beehner did. What was he thinking?

Franklin, what are you asking about :
What was Dr.B thinking or what was I thinking ?

  

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#17. "Educobian"
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>Dear Dr. A.
>
>I am totally lost with this message.
>You talk of taking 5 facil hairs but the photo shows the back
>of the scalp which is the usual donor site (though a little
>lower than usual).
>Is that facil hair? I thought it would be the beard.
>
>You then mention that you have used beard hair in a second
>session but provide no photos of that.
>
>I am really interested in a large session of beard hair cause
>it is the only real solution for me.
>
>I read sometime ago someone who did a complete ht with beard
>hair and the result was so bad that he had to go back to the
>doctor to get rid of it.
>
>I wonder what would be the result fo a large scale bht with
>beard hair done by you.
>
>Thanks. Eduardo.

Dear Eduardo,
Facial hair refers to hair in the beard/moustache areas.
The recipient sites were from below the chin and near the angle of the jawbone.
I will post some more pictures of the donor areas following his latest procedure. This time, some were from the front of the chin too.

We feel the correct way to use facial or beard hair is to mix it with hair from other parts of the body as well as scalp hair.
Dispersed thus, the thicker calibre of the beard hair proves as an additional benefit rather than disadvantage.

Beard/facial hair is just an additional source of hair in people with insufficent robust hair. As are the pubic and axillary hair.

Regards,
Dr. A

Dr.(Capt) Arvind Poswal
Dr. A's Clinic,
A-9,First Floor,
C.R. Park, (Near Nehru Place),
New Delhi-110019, India. www.fusehair.com
e-mail: poswalarvind@yahoo.co.in
Ph- 91-011-26274368,91-098-101-78062
Timings-10a.m.to 5p.m
Scalp & Body hair transplants.

  

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Dr. ArvindTue Sep-12-06 05:17 AM
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#18. "Video - different body hair in recipient"
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Dear forum readers,
Different body hair can be used judiciously to give cosmetically acceptable coverage.

Following is a videoclip of the patient which shows the growth in the transplanted facial hair, pubic hair and mixed body hair.

Please note that it is just 4 months since transplant.

http://www.hairsite.com/hair-transplant-video/different-body-hair-donors.wmv

Regards,
Dr. A

Dr.(Capt) Arvind Poswal
Dr. A's Clinic,
A-9,First Floor,
C.R. Park, (Near Nehru Place),
New Delhi-110019, India. www.fusehair.com
e-mail: poswalarvind@yahoo.co.in
Ph- 91-011-26274368,91-098-101-78062
Timings-10a.m.to 5p.m
Scalp & Body hair transplants.

  

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scarred1Tue Sep-12-06 05:22 AM
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#19. "RE: Additional donor area - facial hair"
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My posts from yesterday on this topic were deleted. So I will try to convey my opinion without offending anyone, if that's actually possible.


I think the use of facial hair as a donor source for transplantation is a mistake. Whiskers on a persons head as a source of donor hair is a cosmetic catastrophy.

I believe it only makes a bad situation, worse. I would be curious to know the motivation for desiring such a procedure. And I would be equally curious to understand the Doctors motivation for actually performing it. A comparison perhaps of the expectations of the patient and Dr.

  

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#20. "RE: Additional donor area - facial hair"
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> My posts from yesterday on this topic were deleted. So I
>will try to convey my opinion without offending anyone, if
>that's actually possible.

Of course it's possible. Your post is much better this time.

Thank you.


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#21. "RE: Additional donor area - facial hair"
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Dear forum readers,
Seeing the excellent healing and growth of the transplanted beard hair, this time the patient went for a, relatively, larger session.
The grafts were intermingled with hair from other parts of the body to compensate for their differing characteristics.

While extracting the grafts, we tried to take a larger # of 2 hair, instead of 1 hair grafts.

Following is a picture of the grafts extracted from the beard area.





Regards,
Dr. A

Dr.(Capt) Arvind Poswal
Dr. A's Clinic,
A-9,First Floor,
C.R. Park, (Near Nehru Place),
New Delhi-110019, India. www.fusehair.com
e-mail: poswalarvind@yahoo.co.in
Ph- 91-011-26274368,91-098-101-78062
Timings-10a.m.to 5p.m
Scalp & Body hair transplants.

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Dr. ArvindTue Sep-12-06 04:02 PM
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#22. "Benefits and strategy"
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Dear forum readers,
Body hair transplant is a valuable addition that has made fuller hair restorations possible.
There are people with a paucity of robust body hair in the traditionally acceptable body donor areas. For people with little body hair, the only options available are the
-armpit/axillary hair.
-Pubic hair
-Facial hair.

There are also patients with limited or no scalp donor hair and only fine caliber body hair.

Such patients may benefit by use of a combination of facial hair with other donor hair. The inherent advantages of facial/beard hair:
1. It is the longest growing, most robust hair in most people (apart from the scalp donor hair).
2. It has a thick caliber.

The possible disadvantages are:
1. It may have a different texture and color then scalp hair in some people.
2. Much like chest hair, it is prone to greying earlier than scalp hair.

Things to be cautious about:
1. If the facial hair has a very different texture, color or curl and is placed in a localized area, in large numbers, it may look & feel odd.
2. The risk of visible (even if transient) scarring/hyperpigmentation must be watched out for.

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We have found that with the FUSE techniques, facial hair extraction is possible with excellent healing in the donor areas.
Excellent healing has been reported at the 1 month timeline.

The correct way to use facial, as well as other extraordinarliy robust hair, like the pubic and the armpit hair, is to mix it with other hair.

If scalp donor hair is not available or very limited, then these robust hair, though individually small in #s, can be used to thicken up the transplanted body hair from other areas.

With time and further patient follow ups, we feel these robust hair may also be an excellent option for use in strip scars.

Please let me know if you have any queries.

Regards,
Dr. A

Dr.(Capt) Arvind Poswal
Dr. A's Clinic,
A-9,First Floor,
C.R. Park, (Near Nehru Place),
New Delhi-110019, India. www.fusehair.com
e-mail: poswalarvind@yahoo.co.in
Ph- 91-011-26274368,91-098-101-78062
Timings-10a.m.to 5p.m
Scalp & Body hair transplants.

  

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#23. "RE: Benefits and strategy"
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I disagree. There is an option you did not mention. Do nothing. It is a mistake to say that with a shortage of head hair or acceptable body hair, that the only option is pubic, underarm or facial hair. There is always the option of acceptance. The single most critical, and overlooked option, of anyone considering a transplant.

  

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#24. "RE: Benefits and strategy"
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I think this can be a viable means of adding "bulk" and density to a hair transplant. It would obviously look very weird to add 500 facial hairs to a small section of scalp (10 sq cm, 50/cm sq). However, 500 added over 100 - 140 sq cm (3-5/cm sq), would go virtually undetected if mixed with scalp and body hair.

Even better, it might be beneficial to transplant into stubborn scar areas. In this case, they are usually covered over by some surrounding scalp hair.

On thing I have chatted with Dr A about is doing a small area using body hair (DEM) to fill in the donor areas on the face (under the chin). My beard hair is definitely thicker than scalp and feels rough, but gets softer as it grows out long and does not ever get curly (maybe because I don't let it grow that long).

Hoping for BHT results!

http://bhtadventresults.blogspot.com/

  

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#25. "RE: Benefits and strategy"
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donor supply is a limiting factor when transplanting scalp hair. expanding donor sources will be invaluable for extensively bald individuals, those who suffer most

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