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jotronicTue Nov-14-06 11:25 PM
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"Dr. Hasson, 5110 Grafts, Eight Months Post-Op, Video"
Wed Nov-15-06 10:50 PM by HairSite

  

          

Cutting edge results, gentleman. Trichophytic closure, lateral slits, bald to not bald in one session.

The video...

http://www.hassonandwong.com/mediagallery/movies/Dr_H_5110_Grafts.html

Joe Tillman
aka, Jotronic
Hasson & Wong
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The Truth Is In The Results

7917 FU Grafts

  

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xairyhay1Wed Nov-15-06 07:28 AM
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#1. "RE: Dr. Hasson, 5110 Grafts, Eight Months Post-Op, Vide..."
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Looks awesome, but all I see is a fluke. A guy who has 1 in 10,000 donor hair. It looks great, but what happens to this guy as his donor area acts normal and thins? This guy is a homerun... for now. Posting this is very misleading as he is so atypical as to be a medical miracle. Of course this is just my opinion.

I have seen your results, and they are awesome... however... 99+% of patients never get anywhere near your results. Why do you think they employ you? Because your results will draw in many $ to the company. Unfortunately, virtually all people who undergo the procedure(s) end up screwed.

I am a vet. 5 procedures and $30K later, without Prothik I'd look like a freak! I spend 20 minutes every single f*ing day putting on hair makeup to offset what was done to me. And I was not butchered. My transplants looked great for years until the rest of my hair bailed. Now, I'm a Norwood 5/6 at 40, and would likely never have had a single transplant if I knew the reality of the situation. However, I should point out... my hair looks "relatively" normal after the makeup is applied. I'd never appear in public without it, but do feel quite confident with it on. I'd trade my left nut and $100k... hell $500k for my original hair back!

X

  

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HairSiteWed Nov-15-06 06:17 PM
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#5. "RE: Dr. Hasson, 5110 Grafts, Eight Months Post-Op, Vide..."
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Wed Nov-15-06 06:27 PM by HairSite

  

          

>Looks awesome, but all I see is a fluke.

I wouldn't call that a fluke by any means. If you go to H&W's website www.hassonandwong.com , there are plenty who have similar results.

These ones were posted in the forum just recently:

Bobman
http://hairsite.com/serendipity/authors/31-Bobman

Shuffle
http://www.hairsite4.com/dc/dcboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=12&topic_id=43754&mesg_id=43754&listing_type=search

Shuffle (more pics)
http://www.hairsite4.com/dc/dcboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=12&topic_id=43892&mode=full

Dr. Wong Patient, 4000 Grafts
http://www.hairsite4.com/dc/dcboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=12&topic_id=46818&mode=full


7180 Grafts, strip, ONE SESSION, Dr. Hasson, 11 months
http://www.hairsite4.com/dc/dcboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=12&topic_id=38828&mode=full


4411 Grafts by Dr. Wong, one year post-op
http://www.hairsite4.com/dc/dcboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=12&topic_id=38608&mode=full

Dr. Hasson patient, 7.5 months post-op, 4030 grafts
http://www.hairsite4.com/dc/dcboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=12&topic_id=38458&mode=full


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Disclaimer: I am NOT a doctor. Please do not consider anything you read from this website or any of the forums as medical advice.

  

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xairyhay1Thu Nov-16-06 04:09 AM
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#8. "RE: Dr. Hasson, 5110 Grafts, Eight Months Post-Op, Vide..."
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I've seen those pictures/videos. I just remain skeptical of what percentage of patients get results worthy of posting here, and what these people will look like in a decade. I've had more than 5000 grafts planted, virtually all of which grew (at least for a few years), yet the total volume of hair that they now represent is nearly insignificant in the bigger picture. The problem is that the donor area thins too. So the grafts taken from the donor area now contain fewer hairs all of which are thinner in diameter than they once were. It isn't just the quantity of grafts, but the lasting quality of them. I looked very good for at least a decade, but eventually the full Norwood 5/6 took effect. As a matter of fact, I was begged by the company who did my last procedure (6 years ago) to be the star of one of their open houses to help convince others of the merits of hair transplant.

If you look at a bald close relative, study the quality of their remaining hair. If it is fine and can't really be grown out, transplants from that area will eventually be the same way. I imagine some people's follicles outside the MPB area may be much healthier than others. In my case, the first reaction to DHT was the loss of most of my density in the MPB area. The second was miniaturization of the remaining follicles.

The last point that I would like to make is that many of the patients shown appear to have improved the quality of their hair in the areas that were not touched. Is this styling? Drugs? A trick of the lighting? I don't know. I just know that no doctor would want me to show my current hair at their open house today.

Someday maybe I'll take some pics for this board, but I assure you, I am not exaggerating how sad the result has become or seeking a teenage head of hair. I would make a good "before" picture.

Best of luck to everyone, I don't mean to be a downer. I'm here trying to understand the reality of BHT, as it would be my last chance to look normal without a sprayed head until HM comes along.

X

  

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biscuitWed Nov-15-06 08:20 AM
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#2. "RE: Dr. Hasson, 5110 Grafts, Eight Months Post-Op, Video"
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Looks great, very natural, could use some work in the crown. Good video, it really shows off the benefit of Trichophytic closure.

xairyhay1, this is a fairly normal result from H&W. Since you've already got a strip scar maybe you should have a consultation with them to see what they can do to make your situation better.

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#3. "RE: Dr. Hasson, 5110 Grafts, Eight Months Post-Op, Video"
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Great result for 5000 grafts.

Jo, would you say he had another 3000 or so left in the donor. If so, another session would seehim pretty much done.

Very nice work.

  

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thegreek2Wed Nov-15-06 03:18 PM
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#4. "deja vu"
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Wed Nov-15-06 03:45 PM by thegreek2

          

"Posting this is very misleading as he is so atypical as to be a medical miracle. Of course this is just my opinion.

I have seen your results, and they are awesome... however... 99+% of patients never get anywhere near your results. Why do you think they employ you? Because your results will draw in many $ to the company. Unfortunately, virtually all people who undergo the procedure(s) end up screwed."

this is like deja vu i said something like that (and a bit more harsh than that to be honest to Joe in the #### website and i was banned.I actually said something in the lines of"joe dont you think its a bit unethical to show results like yours that are 1 in a million and people will believe that they can have the same and they might get dissapointed in the end".

Ofcourse it was not joe's fault he was a jentleman about it he asked that i should not be banned, unethical maybe was not the right word.But the moderator there was looking for an excuse my posts were very antitransplant(regarding under 35's) back then and a lot of people were asking for me to banned, salesmen,cheerleader patients,clinics(DHI for sure lol).That is why he only banned me from the transplant forums...semi banned lol.

Nice result by the way H&W and congratulations for the video very good move.Is the patient on dutasteride or propecia?

there are 2 kind of transplants and cannot be compared...the ones in conjuction with fin or dut and the drug free ones

  

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#6. "Xairyhay............................"
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I looked at the vid too. The work looks very good. Victor Hasson is good at what he does, but youre so right. The man in the video is probably less than 40 or surely less than 50. He has more hair to lose yet. Even on finasteride and nizoral...........he's gonna drop more hair. They didnt touch the vertex bald spot and its gonna get bigger.

This is why Im mystified that Hasson and Wong dont EMBRACE the usage of some body hair as an auxillary supplement to scalp hair. Its usage can act as filler between scalp hair grafts so the scalp hair can go further at the least.

They had to remove a good sized strip of flesh from this man to make over five thousand grafts. Notice how high the REAR HAIRLINE WAS? Close up to the ears wasn't it?


Guy has a nice result......................IF HE STOPS LOSING HAIR COMPLETELY.


In ten years he may not be so happy and have quite a bald spot on his hands and the hair on the sides may receed further back. Side hair also can receed "downwards". This guy has pretty extreme baldness. Its something that will hang over his head.



I dont, because I believe HM is inevitable in the next decade at the most, believe this man will face that.............but he could if Im wrong about HM (Aderans is now recruiting for phase 1 here in America and ICX is in phase 2 tests in England).




Men dont realize, like us whove looked at lots of hairtransplants and really looked at balding men closely and THOUGHT about hair patterns, that NOT EVERYONE has the same head shape. Some men wind up with very small, thinned-out wreaths. Scalp hair is definitely still the king, but there aint' enough of that king for all men, and getting a HT does not mean you have stopped balding.


Ive seen lots of posts over the last few years of men who were super happy with their transplants for several years who were shocked later on when their hair behind the implants kept going despite using finasteride and nizoral.

  

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pharoBoyThu Nov-16-06 02:26 AM
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#7. "RE: Xairyhay............................"
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"ve seen lots of posts over the last few years of men who were super happy with their transplants for several years who were shocked later on when their hair behind the implants kept going despite using finasteride and nizoral."

I'm interested in seeing some photos of people who experienced this, can you point me to some of them ?

  

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#9. "RE: Xairyhay............................"
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These are men who visit forums, warn other of their experiences, and generally vanish. Dont see too many who put up pictures of their "hair islands".


But I could use myself as one example........Ive been on finasteride since 97-8'. I got transplants in 96 because I was told about finasteride and that it "completely stops" hair from ever falling out again. Ive watched my temples receed right through the plug field. My hair looks about like the actor Jude Law's, if you can imagine 50 implants in each temple. I have to comb my still-thick hair over them now as they are visible when its brushed back. Ive been on copper peptides along with the nizoral and finasteride and have piddled with other things, but those three have been my constant for the past few years now (since about 03). Ive held the line quite well since adding the peptides.

However, I stress this..............you are NOT stopping all DHT and T (testosterone ALONE in experiments has been shown to be able to flip hairs response to it EVEN FROM THE WREATH area if its levels get high enough) with just finasteride and nizoral alone. I strongly do not recommend dutasteride, its side effects arent worth living with in my opinion and there is type one alpha five in your brain, liver, kidneys, adrenal gland, chest and back skin as well as sebocytes and sebaceous glands. Type 2, the kind found in the innermost portion of the outer root sheath in scalp and beard hair follicles and the prostate isn't as important for the deeper tissues of the body.

You can find plenty of pics of hair islands if you look though. Remember, only 83% of men even benefit from finasteride. Some 17% according to Merk have no change............some people's genetic tendency to bald is overwhelmingly strong (NW7's etc.).


People need to keep this in mind................haircounts on finasteride increase for two years and start a long slow decline every year thereafter. You get back to baseline at about eventually and you keep losing it if propecia is all you use. Here is a chart, all you have to do is click play for five year results http://www.propecia.com/finasteride/propecia/consumer/facts/timeline_for_results.jsp


However, in conjuction with other things like nizoral, minoxidil, copper peptides, spiro, etc. .........the effect should last much longer. However..........life is a long process. WIll it last 25 years longer? What if all research into new things fails? A guy destined for NW7 will get there. His head hair alone will not be enough..........thats why some of us think using body hair (if you have robust thick body hair) can really help out.

  

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#10. "RE: Xairyhay............................"
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>"ve seen lots of posts over the last few years of men who
>were super happy with their transplants for several years who
>were shocked later on when their hair behind the implants kept
>going despite using finasteride and nizoral."
>
>I'm interested in seeing some photos of people who experienced
>this, can you point me to some of them ?

Theres no dearth of examples of such cases.
Just see hairytale's thread below. A NW 3 got ht and progressed to nw6 in a decade.
http://www.hairsite4.com/dc/dcboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=12&topic_id=48094&mode=full

9000 grafts till now. All by Dr. A .
They include strip FUHT, FUE, body hair grafts and facial hair grafts.
Hoping to accomplish full hair restoration.
http://hairsite.com/serendipity/authors/64-Finallyfree/P5.html

  

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xairyhay1Thu Nov-16-06 07:21 AM
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#11. "RE: Xairyhay............................"
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I post this again as it gets lost in threads if it isn't the last post in order:

I've seen those pictures/videos. I just remain skeptical of what percentage of patients get results worthy of posting here, and what these people will look like in a decade. I've had more than 5000 grafts planted, virtually all of which grew (at least for a few years), yet the total volume of hair that they now represent is nearly insignificant in the bigger picture. The problem is that the donor area thins too. So the grafts taken from the donor area now contain fewer hairs all of which are thinner in diameter than they once were. It isn't just the quantity of grafts, but the lasting quality of them. I looked very good for at least a decade, but eventually the full Norwood 5/6 took effect. As a matter of fact, I was begged by the company who did my last procedure (6 years ago) to be the star of one of their open houses to help convince others of the merits of hair transplant.

If you look at a bald close relative, study the quality of their remaining hair. If it is fine and can't really be grown out, transplants from that area will eventually be the same way. I imagine some people's follicles outside the MPB area may be much healthier than others. In my case, the first reaction to DHT was the loss of most of my density in the MPB area. The second was miniaturization of the remaining follicles.

The last point that I would like to make is that many of the patients shown appear to have improved the quality of their hair in the areas that were not touched. Is this styling? Drugs? A trick of the lighting? I don't know. I just know that no doctor would want me to show my current hair at their open house today.

Someday maybe I'll take some pics for this board, but I assure you, I am not exaggerating how sad the result has become or seeking a teenage head of hair. I would make a good "before" picture.

Best of luck to everyone, I don't mean to be a downer. I'm here trying to understand the reality of BHT, as it would be my last chance to look normal without a sprayed head until HM comes along.

  

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#13. "RE: Xairyhay............................"
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Good post- This is exactly why I feel that BHT will provide a more viable solution for a great many of us than HM. The problem with HM is exactly what you just described. Taking DP cells from donor hair of relatively poor quality will only produce recipient hair of poor quality.

  

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#12. "RE: Xairyhay............................"
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"I looked at the vid too. The work looks very good. Victor Hasson is good at what he does, but youre so right. The man in the video is probably less than 40 or surely less than 50. He has more hair to lose yet. Even on finasteride and nizoral...........he's gonna drop more hair. They didnt touch the vertex bald spot and its gonna get bigger."

Benji:

In your mind, what is the point in getting a hair transplant? Is it to look good in the near term (a decade or two) or is it to look good when you are 80? Most people are not that far-sighted and live for today, because we all know not what will happen tomorrow. Surely this guy will lose more hair as he ages - that is a "duh" statement - EVERYONE will lose hair as they age. In my feeble little mind, I would rather look good (like this guy does) now and worry about what happens in 20 years, 20 years from now.

Jtelecom

  

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#14. "RE: Xairyhay............................"
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People always have something negative to say no matter how good the result is. This result is clearly amazing and im sure if he does want to fill in the crown or if he does lose more hair that he can get another HT to fill that in.

Minoxidil twice a day
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thegreek2Fri Nov-17-06 09:13 PM
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#15. "Xairyhay amazing post"
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excellent post and thank you from the bottom of my heart for your honesty.

As for your observation that the hair look better even in areas were the area was not touched i believe it has to with drugs most of the patients of H&W are on dutasteride.I think the main reason that we see thick and dense transplants is the drugs

This for me is criminal!!!Its not even approved for hairloss!!!Its their choise of course in the end but still is not good.

there are 2 kind of transplants and cannot be compared...the ones in conjuction with fin or dut and the drug free ones

  

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#16. "Jtelecom, you have a good point."
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Jtelecom,

I was attempting (though looking back I can see how others can miss it) to illustrate why I think body hair "added" to conventional transplants can be very beneficial.

The guy in question did'nt really have enough hair to fill his whole head, BUT if he mixed some body hair in with it.......it might have. He might have been able to have the crown completely filled in.


Ever look at an extremely bald man J? Y'know, a small Dr. Phil wreath? Some men have hair in their youth and it starts to go, and in a decade, WHAM............they are damn near Dr. Phil bald. The guy in the photo's head didn't look all that old to me. Im assuming he will lose alot more hair naturally. You might care about what you look like to your grandkids too man. Nobody ever wants a "hair island", even at 60 (and with modern medicine.........60 for us will not be what it was for your grandad. Think 50, and perhapse even 45 if you take care of yourself).


One poster mentioned alot of H and W patients are on dutasteride. Ive been on finas for almost a decade. I piddled with dutasteride for a few months. I didn't feel like myself. I really wonder if that drug is too powerful to take for long periods. Type one alpha five is in your brain, liver, kidneys, adrenal glands, sebaceous glands, sebocytes, chest and back skin........whereas the type two alpha five reductase enyzme is just in your head hair, beard, and prostate. I didnt get sides with finas, but tons of guys report sides if the forums are to be believed with dutas. Thats some strong stuff.


Youre a smart guy Jtelecom. Im sure you'll make the right decision for yourself.

  

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#17. "Hey Benji"
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This is why it's so confusing .
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Friday November 17, 2006 1:26 PM


Actually, I don't see bht as being "over marketed" at all.

Where did anybody come up with this notion?

I have not seen webistes sponsered by any doctor that pushes bht loudly. Have you?

Sure, there are some doctors who've added bht to their menu of HT procedures, but little more than that.

In fact when I ask bht doctors to discuss their techniques and results on the web they usually remain silent. VERY silent. That's not overmarketing or hype, that's an attempt to hide from accountability and public questioning.

I don't see any bht doctor getting on this or any other site pushing a bht agenda. Have you? In fact, just the opposite is true. Bht doctors are as quiet as church mice on the subject of bht. The only time you will ever read about bht is when a patient just had a procedure and is zelous in sharing his postitive experience and optimistic outlook for the future. Scientists blog is an excellent example of this. Anybody remember Lee S. who went to DHI in 2003? How about the rest of DHI's bht patients. Not a single cosmetically significant success to show the world.

Have you seen Scientist's doctor make even ONE comment on this board in the past year taking credit for a job well done and offering to answer questions? Even at the beginning of his bht treatment when the future was all rosey? Of course not. He doesn't want ANY connection to the current results. But he does want more of you patients out there to sign up for bht procedures. I can gaurantee you all that.

NO, bht doctors don't over market at all. In fact the only time you will see a CLINIC go out of its way to discuss bht is when they have that one patient in hundreds (or even over a thousand) that has had some kind of acceptable cosmetic result. But they are more than happy to remain silent about the overwhelming FAILURE rate they've experienced.

The problem isn't that those doctors performing BHT are "over marketing" or hyping it. The problem are those doctors out there who know all too well what a failure bht is yet remain silent to the detriment of the patient population. It is through their silence that bht doctors get away with it.

That's why I speak out and challenge bht every chance I get, because by NOT speaking out I am silently endorsing a poor procedure, and I will not do that. I've done enough FUE to know what works and what doesn't, and bht is a flop. And if there are any bht doctors out there who can seriously refute this statement and debate me, then step up to the plate.

Farrel, I don't agree with you, there is plenty wrong with bht per se. It doesn't work consistently and it can cause damage to the recipient area if and when a scalp to scalp transplant is finally performed.

Dr. Feller





  

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#18. "Feller is a liar - just sour grapes"
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I have followed scientist's excellent blog for months. Kudos to him for the excellent work he has done to disprove the naysayers of bht with conclusive evidence that bht works.

Feller doesnt know how to graciously admit his mistake. He has been yelling from top that bht doesnt work because the hair get cut when being extracted and blah blah, blah...
No one ever said that body hair will give the coverage of scalp hair. There are many more singles in it, the hair is thinner than scalp hair. The body hair will give less cover. Still. Its an extra source that wasnt there earlier.

To understand the benefit, one has to just compare what scientist got after his strip 3000 grafs and what the additional 8000 body hair have accomplished. Even going by the numbers, scientist is a NW6 and the total grafts he has got is less than half of what he had before he started losing hair.

  

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Feller's rep is pretty bad if youve read these boards for a while.


He's tried and failed with BHT and advocated using STRIP scars to harvest them.


The reason youve not seen big-mega BHT results is that there really havent been big-mega BHT's. Scientists results with 7000-plus BHTS represent a man filling in a pretty much bald ENTIRE TOP of his head with BHT. When he had a full head of hair in his teens, Scientist would have had a good 40,000 of his 100,000 follicles in the same area. He is getting more (that should tell you something about what he thinks). When he has perhapse 20,000 up there and the youngest grafts are two years old..................then we can really judge.


Im not "pushing" BHT by the way....I dont have any...........this is for you to consider.............Ive simply stated that "adding" BHT's along with FUE's can add alot of volume to transplants. I also think putting BHTs' back in FUE holes could add volume to the back of the head. Woods has stated "scalp hair is still the king". OF course it is (for most).

There are, however, some extremely hairy men who have better body hair than head hair. My grandad for instance, a real bear, has thicker body hair than you have on your head in his chest (I guarantee this.............sometimes I think he's the damned missing link). That being said................BHT's WOULD NOT be for most. Most men arent' THAT hairy.


BUT .............anybody who tells you that Heliboys, Scientists, Newmanes (check out his NEW pics), or that guy with the Cole BHT hairline (best pics Ive seen), and Chizid's (new pics of this guy were on the forhair forum....and he looks good, especially with some of the what appears to be chemical peels to his face----ten years younger looking) are results of drugs or something other than body hair is lying to themselves.


I think one thing Ive seen from the "anti-BHT" crowd is the complete fear of new things. They are all (seemingly to me) anti-cloning also and exaggerate the dangers of the research or poormouth its prospects. In short, they dont want anything to change. Well, cosmetic hair surgery NEEDED to change. It NEEDED to get better. If it DIDNT, men wouldnt be flying to India, California, Atlanta, Toronto to get it.


As for the men who went to DHI in Florida and didnt report back..................they probably did get bad results. I suppose its possible that they are very happy and haven't reported back. But most likely........................they didn't have good body hair to move.




Wondering............like I said, BHT probably isnt for the majority of men to even add back in the donor area over a FUE hole or to buff things up. You gotta have BIG hair. If you CUT OFF A BODY HAIR and compare it to a head hair................if the head hair is much bigger, you probably are wasting your time. My chest and armpit hair, and abdomen hair are as big as most of my head hairs. I wouldnt even look at pubic hair. Wrist hair is about equal to head hair. Even the hair on the back of my hands is as big as frontal head hair. Legs are hairy, but hair is only about half to two-thirds as big as head hair. I dont have any BHT's either. I just looked, cut out, and compared for curiousity's sake. Lotta men DO HAVE Super robust body hair though. Dont kid yourself. Look around. They might be helped by it "mixed" in with head hair. Id' hate to see them denied that if it could help them. There seems to be an orgainized effort on these forums to completely discredit body hair usage and I think it comes from a cotiere of surgeons who dont wanna phuck with it, miss the easy strip scar surgeries, and are trying to kill any innovation.


All efforts to stifle innovation eventually fail. This will too. As soon as there are some BHT mega sessions that mix scalp and head hair and have great results..................the pics will slam them. However, I expect them to lie about it and blame the new hair on drugs, so it will not fully stop in the near future no matter the results.

Ask scientists if he's happy with his result.

  

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SkywalkerSat Nov-18-06 03:43 PM
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#20. "It gets worse."
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I have followed scientist's excellent blog for months. Kudos to him for the excellent work he has done to disprove the naysayers of bht with conclusive evidence that bht works.

Feller doesnt know how to graciously admit his mistake.


I cannot believe some of the posts here, I am no particular fan of Dr Feller (I think he does too much Strip and not enough FUE) but there is no mistake for him to admit to. In my opinion Scientist does not have a great result, he has a mediocre result - and that assumes that the growth he does have is not caused by the monoxidil he started after the transplant. Scientist is a decent guy who shared his results and this is not a knock against him, it is not even a knock against his doctor, because I do not think anybody has 'cracked' BHT yet.

BHT works - it just doesn't work very well - if you think his is a great result then I have got a bridge I would like to sell you


BTW, asking Scientist whether he is happy with the result to use as a yardstick is foolish, emotions come into this. Lee_S was not unhappy with the work done on him - would anybody really want his 'result'?

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#21. "RE: It gets worse."
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scientists results i like better than 90 percent of the BHT guys, however my only complain is the lighting in the pics,

I dont think BH is the answer for most of us with depleted donor , you would need like 30,000 grafts for most bald guys to make a difference



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#22. "RE: It gets worse."
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scientists results i like better than 90 percent of the BHT guys

I agree with you - that's the problem

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#23. "RE: It gets worse."
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i have seen many body hair guys with over 5000 units implanted that looked bald to me afterwards,
hell my hair looks better now than theirs did after the transplant



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arunSun Nov-19-06 09:45 AM
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#27. "this is funny"
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In my
>opinion Scientist does not have a great result, he has a
>mediocre result - and that assumes that the growth he does
>have is not caused by the monoxidil he started after the
>transplant.


In your opinion Scientist has got the benefit only from minoxidil.
In my opinion, just for argument sake, scientist lost more hair inspite of minoxidil and the growth is only body hair.

Have you used minoxidil? If you can get this growth with minoxidil, like what scientist and newmane got, that will solve your problem. You will never need to come to this site.
I used minox for like 3 years. Zilch. No results, just kept loosing more hair.

I cant understand what it is with you! I am not fond of transplants. I will rather wait for HM. But this is BS you just said Skywalker.
You have not seen scientist's blog carefully. The vids of the first few months show the stubs of hair growing in.
You should think before discarding any and all results as being due to medicines. If that was possible there will never be a need for transplants.
Just medicines will do for all of us.

  

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#28. "here buy this"
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>
>BHT works - it just doesn't work very well - if you
>think his is a great result then I have got a bridge I would
>like to sell you
>
>
>BTW, asking Scientist whether he is happy with the result to
>use as a yardstick is foolish, emotions come into this. Lee_S
>was not unhappy with the work done on him - would anybody
>really want his 'result'?
>

I have something to sell you Skywalker.
4 years supply of minoxidil for the cost of a bht megasession.

You will not have to undergo surgery and get results as good as scientist.

Then, I promise I will buy that bridge from you.

P.S. - Lee was a head and body hair patient of DHI. His head hair did not grow either. Its totally unrelated to scientist's bht.

  

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#29. "You need night classes."
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arun, what you need to buy is an English comprehension course.

This is what I said:

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In my opinion Scientist does not have a great result, he has a
mediocre result - and that assumes that the growth he does
have is not caused by the monoxidil he started after the
>transplant.


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In your opinion Scientist has got the benefit only from minoxidil.

No, that isn't my opinion, but for the slow ones I will try and be more explicit. For 8046 grafts I think the improvement is mediocre (not rubbish), it looks like about 2000 average scalp grafts to me. I do not know whether minoxidil is the cause of all or indeed any of the growth - but it makes the result harder to evaluate.


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#24. "RE: Dr. Hasson, 5110 Grafts, Eight Months Post-Op, Video"
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>Cutting edge results, gentleman. Trichophytic closure,
>lateral slits, bald to not bald in one session.
>
>The video...
>
>http://www.hassonandwong.com/mediagallery/movies/Dr_H_5110_Grafts.html
>
>

Great results , kudos to all who have worked on his head .


Ed


  

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#25. "RE: Dr. Hasson, 5110 Grafts, Eight Months Post-Op, Vide..."
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Everyone has different quality body hair. Some people have poor quality BH, but for others its a gold mine! For most, the best thing to do is a COMBO FUE. That is, use body and scalp donor hair.

I see many HTs that would look a lot better if they had added some BH for density. Body hair is a resource we never had before. For those that can, why not use it too.

So for someone that's worried that they are going to MAX out on their scalp donor hair, its possible that some of them don't have to worry.

  

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#26. "RE: Dr. Hasson, 5110 Grafts, Eight Months Post-Op, Vide..."
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Exactly ADP.

Thats precisely my point. Dr. Mawamba wrote at forhair.com that head hair seems to excite body hair when they are placed near each other. The signalling environment with both present is probably very conductive to growth.



A couple of the guys reference Scientists results. Scientist has about 7000 BHT's up top, the rest in scars in the back. Its only been a year...........he'll have more hair in all probability next year.


BUT MY MAIN POINT CONCERNING SCIENTIST is that he has placed 7000 body hairs where perhaps 40,000 head hairs used to reside. Of COURSE its not super dense yet. He'd probably need another 10,000 and a couple more years growth afterwards for folks to say "WOW". Im sure he'd tell you guys this too.

  

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