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VTue Feb-20-07 05:45 AM
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"7000 BHT only - 1 year update (Dr. A's patient)"


          

At Ixan's request, sphinx's update is posted here.

No of grafts - 7000.
Type of grafts - Only body hair.
Pre HT Baldness status- NW 6.

7000 BHT grafts transplanted in Feb 2006.
The after pictures are from 1 year later, that is Feb 2007.

Those desirous of reading the more detailed account of Sphinx's bht may do so at the following link.
http://www.hairsite4.com/dc/dcboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=12&topic_id=51745&mode=full

Comparative pictures







Of the 7000 bh grafts, 700 were transplanted into the right temple and 200+ into the left temple. The rest were distributed over the entire scalp.

I work for Dr. A's Clinic.
I am not a Physician.
My opinions need not be shared by Dr. Arvind Poswal.
www.fusehair.com

  

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Pictures
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excellent
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PROOF OF CONCEPT
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non-robust body hair?
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To Dr. Arvind
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wake up
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           100 sq cm?
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johnpTue Feb-20-07 07:44 AM
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#1. "RE: 7000 BHT only - 1 year update (Dr. A's patient)"
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Who said body hair looks weird ? This is just as natural as scalp hair.

  

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notanewbieTue Feb-20-07 08:07 AM
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#2. "RE: 7000 BHT only - 1 year update (Dr. A's patient)"
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This is a great example of what one can expect from BH.

I have a question for Dr A: Do you feel that 7000 of those hairs are currently growing in that photo? If not, how many do you feel grew?

In my opinion, from looking at those photos I would venture to guess that 20% or around 1500 hairs are currently growing. There is still native hair growing on his bald head, although not many, along with all of that BH so the results look good but, the yield is very low.

  

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Dr. ArvindTue Feb-20-07 09:40 AM
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#3. "RE: 7000 BHT only - 1 year update (Dr. A's patient)"
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>This is a great example of what one can expect from BH.
>
>I have a question for Dr A: Do you feel that 7000 of those
>hairs are currently growing in that photo? If not, how many
>do you feel grew?
>

Dear Notanewbie,
You have posed a very intelligent question. Correctly phrased to the last word.
I am going to post a detailed article on body hair transplants soon. Perhaps, what I write there will answer some of the questions.

As for this patient, the yield from the transplanted body hair is in range of 90%.
To realize that, please look at the temples, the right as well as the left.
Also look at the quality of the body hair.
I am sure you will see good growth. Is it as good as the equivalent #s of scalp hair grafts, had they been used? No. Definitely not.

Regards,
Dr. A

Dr.(Capt) Arvind Poswal
Dr. A's Clinic,
A-9,First Floor,
C.R. Park, (Near Nehru Place),
New Delhi-110019, India. www.fusehair.com
e-mail: poswalarvind@yahoo.co.in
Ph- 91-011-26274368,91-098-101-78062
Timings-10a.m.to 5p.m
Scalp & Body hair transplants.

  

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HanginInthereTue Feb-20-07 10:02 AM
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#8. "disagree"
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1500 is nothing, and his temples are now filled in plus he has somewhat of a decent coverage on the top
and i think that his coverage now for the amount of grafts he got, considering that 7000 is equivalent to only about 3000 scalp grafts since the BH is single hairs usually,

well anyway he looks damn good to me for that many grafts, in fact im shocked that as bald as he was he looks that good after so few grafts


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VTue Feb-20-07 09:48 AM
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#4. "Pictures"
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I work for Dr. A's Clinic.
I am not a Physician.
My opinions need not be shared by Dr. Arvind Poswal.
www.fusehair.com

  

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VTue Feb-20-07 09:53 AM
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#5. "Video"
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Videofootage showing the growth at 1 year mark is at the link below.

http://www.hairsite.com/hair-transplant-video/hair-video.wmv

I work for Dr. A's Clinic.
I am not a Physician.
My opinions need not be shared by Dr. Arvind Poswal.
www.fusehair.com

  

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HanginInthereTue Feb-20-07 09:59 AM
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#6. "excellent"
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even though the caliber of donor hair is thin, it seems to perfectly match the scalp hair that is remaining,
for a BH only trans this patient is to me a good example of the potential of body hair


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VTue Feb-20-07 10:00 AM
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#7. "RE: 7000 BHT only - 1 year update (Dr. A's patient)"
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More pictures of the hair growth at 1 year mark can be viewed at the following links.
The pictures include wet hair pictures too.

http://www.hairsite4.com/dc/dcboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=12&topic_id=51745&mesg_id=51996&page=

http://www.hairsite4.com/dc/dcboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=12&topic_id=51745&mesg_id=51997&page=

http://www.hairsite4.com/dc/dcboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=12&topic_id=51745&mesg_id=51998&page=



I work for Dr. A's Clinic.
I am not a Physician.
My opinions need not be shared by Dr. Arvind Poswal.
www.fusehair.com

  

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benjiTue Feb-20-07 02:33 PM
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#9. "PROOF OF CONCEPT"
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Ive been taken as being something of a "cheerleader" for BHT's by some. I dont have any myself, and I have pretty darn good hair, albeit with temporal recession.

In other words, I have no interest in this "fight", except for an interest in hair in general and the defeat of pattern baldness for all men.


That being said.....................


Its obvious this man's BHT has grown, and grown well.

If he has only had seven thousand hairs implanted (he does NOT have big-thick body hair), I'd say his yield is probably eighty to ninety percent.



I have said it before, and I'll say it again.............It would be interesting for the sake of science to see what a man who really was "hairy" who got perhaps three or four BHT procedures of perhaps 10,000 grafts a piece once every 12-18 months over a period of five years along with the usage of topical minoxidil.

Gradual implantation is an idea based on Cole's study showing that lower densities produced not only higher yields, but much more hair growing period as the high density BHT surgery area's just didnt grow much hair at all. Docs performing this surgery can benefit greatly in my opinion by the "less is more" approach and multiple surgeries.

  

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Dens1Tue Feb-20-07 02:40 PM
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#10. "RE: 7000 BHT only - 1 year update (Dr. A's patient)"
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this successful BHT calms us hairloss sufferes a lot,
in case hair multiplication won´t be possible any time soon, BHTs like this are a great alternative!
great job!

200 grown out minis/micros from strip session in the 90s
500 FUEs with Dr Gho in two sessions
July 11th, 2005: 2500+ stripFUs with Dr A in India

check the details of my ht-procedure with Dr A under "Dens1":
http://hairsite.com/serendipity/authors/21-De

  

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#11. "RE: Dr. Arvind"
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Thank you for continuing to post BHT cases and results. This case seems to be going quite well. Could you tell us how many BHT cases you do a week? What was the price for this amount of grafts?

  

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#12. "RE: Dr. Arvind"
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>Thank you for continuing to post BHT cases and results. This
>case seems to be going quite well. Could you tell us how many
>BHT cases you do a week? What was the price for this amount
>of grafts?

The cost details are available at the following link.
http://www.fusehair.com/Cost.htm

The costs are uniform for all and there are no hidden or extra charges.

I work for Dr. A's Clinic.
I am not a Physician.
My opinions need not be shared by Dr. Arvind Poswal.
www.fusehair.com

  

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BushTue Feb-20-07 04:34 PM
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#13. "RE: V"
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7000 BHT for 26k is a good price in today's market by a Doctor who is one of 4 I consider a leader with some good results and integrity. This would cost 50k by a couple of doctors/clinics that never post cases or respond to forum posters and have a history of no growth with BHT the past few years.


  

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therapyTue Feb-20-07 05:30 PM
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#14. "non-robust body hair?"
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What kind of body hair was used ? Non robust body hair like those from your arms, legs ?

  

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ReadyFreddyTue Feb-20-07 09:18 PM
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#15. "To Dr. Arvind"
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Dr. Arvind, I have a problem with what you said here: "As for this patient, the yield from the transplanted body hair is in range of 90%",

What we see in the pics is no way 90% yield. 90% yield is almost close to a perfect HT, I have a hard time believing that this is what we are supposed to expect for 7000 grafts.


  

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#16. "RE: To Dr. Arvind"
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>Dr. Arvind, I have a problem with what you said here: "As for
>this patient, the yield from the transplanted body hair is in
>range of 90%",
>
>What we see in the pics is no way 90% yield. 90% yield is
>almost close to a perfect HT, I have a hard time believing
>that this is what we are supposed to expect for 7000 grafts.

Remember, there is a huge difference in scalp grafts and body hair grafts. With body hair, there are a lot more singles and the hair doesn't grow nearly as long. Unlike you, I actually think this is a pretty darn good result for someone that didn't have the best body hair.

He probably lost 50,000 scalp hair in the Norwood areas given his state of baldness. Even utlizing scalp hair, he would only be 1/7th (14%) of the way completed to full restoration. Now factor in the fact that it is body hair vice scalp hair and he is more like 1/16th or (6%) back to full restoration.

What growth he has now would be nice additional coverage in and among scalp hair if he had any to spare.

It is all about setting realistic expectations. If you think a NW6/7 is going to have a dense hair transplant after 7,000 body hairs, then you are kidding yourself. Especially since a lot were used reconstructing non-existant temples. I would wager that this patient is happy with what I consider an aesthetically pleasant result of "natural" thinning all over.

I know it may seem like I'm cheerleading for Dr A, but that is not the case. I would say the same about any doctor who has gotten these kinds of results for this kind of patient. I'll leave the cheerleading for Dr A specifically when my results come in.

Hoping for BHT results!

http://bhtadventresults.blogspot.com/

  

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#17. "wake up"
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this is BODY HAIR not scalp hair
and the temples were restored also
body hair is way more 1 hair grafts so this is the equivelent of maybe 3000 scalp hairs to the TEMPLES also, of a NORWOOD 7

what do you expect
thick coverage on that large of an area with the equivalent of 3000 grafts?
and these ARE WEAK THIN SHORT BODY HAIRS

dont compare apples to oranges

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youngmanWed Feb-21-07 04:42 AM
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#18. "RE: wake up"
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Great Work Dr. A
This guy should be stoked with his results. He went from a NW7 to thinning head of hair. At his age it is typical and normal for hair to be thinning there for giving him a very natural head of hair. This is a great sign for all of us that are loosing hair at an early age and on our way to NW6 or NW7

3 strip procedures
1st..awful waste of 8 thousand...
2nd...MHR..awful results
3rd...Dr. Arvind...Great Results going back again

  

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ReadyFreddyWed Feb-21-07 05:17 AM
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#19. "RE: wake up"
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>this is BODY HAIR not scalp hair
>and the temples were restored also
>body hair is way more 1 hair grafts so this is the equivelent
>of maybe 3000 scalp hairs to the TEMPLES also, of a NORWOOD
>7
>
>what do you expect
>thick coverage on that large of an area with the equivalent of
>3000 grafts?
>and these ARE WEAK THIN SHORT BODY HAIRS

Fine let's say 7000 singles equals 3500 grafts, this is still nowhere near 90% yield like he claimed. I can easily find half a dozen of 3500 grafts that put this to shame. It's not bad considering he has no other options and considering it is body hair, but I don't buy it for a second that this is 90% yield.

  

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#20. "RE: wake up"
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>>this is BODY HAIR not scalp hair
>>and the temples were restored also
>>body hair is way more 1 hair grafts so this is the
>equivelent
>>of maybe 3000 scalp hairs to the TEMPLES also, of a NORWOOD
>>7
>>
>>what do you expect
>>thick coverage on that large of an area with the equivalent
>of
>>3000 grafts?
>>and these ARE WEAK THIN SHORT BODY HAIRS
>
>Fine let's say 7000 singles equals 3500 grafts, this is still
>nowhere near 90% yield like he claimed. I can easily find half
>a dozen of 3500 grafts that put this to shame. It's not bad
>considering he has no other options and considering it is body
>hair, but I don't buy it for a second that this is 90% yield.
>

Sphinx has thin calibre body hair.
When comparing body hair to scalp hair, please remember that body hair has less calibre, shorter length, more singles than 2s.
Body hair has a slower speed of growth as well as shorter hair cycles than the scalp hair.

This is the picture of Sphinx's chest hair. Almost all 1 hair grafts. The other body hair are even less robust.

When comparing, 7000 fine hair bht, its best to compare it with any other 7000 fine hair bht on a bald acalp with no scalp hair transplanted.


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I am not a Physician.
My opinions need not be shared by Dr. Arvind Poswal.
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notanewbieWed Feb-21-07 10:14 AM
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#21. "These results are good"
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No matter how you slice it, these results are the best BH yield results I have ever seen and if you have been on these boards as long as I have you have proabably seen well over 100 cases.

So, now the million dollar question is why this 1 man has better yield then 99 others? Why did he get better yield (nowhere near 90%) than other BH patients by the same Dr; under the same circumstances; using the same chest hair; extracted by the same tools; and placed by the same techs?

In the end, even if you can prove that BH grows and you can get 100% yield, that doesnt mean you can ever reproduce those results on other patients or perhaps even on the same patient.

So, now we gotta figure out why?

  

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#22. "Ready Freddy..."
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I agree with you to a certain extent. I can find 1000 graft strip jobs that are more dense and appear to have higher yield then this 7000 patient but, he did get growth and it looks fairly good to me.

Like I have always said, I think you get about 20% yield from BH and in this case it looks like he got about 1500 or so hairs but, no one can really tell without a densometer.

No way this guy has more than 20 grafts per cm/sq density and he had a total of 100 sq/cm (my guess) to cover along with some native hair in the front.

I stand by my numbers and percentages but, no reason why my guess is any more valid then the Drs and vice versa.

  

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#24. "Notanewbie"
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I would wager that your calculation of bald scalp 100 sq/cm is off considerably. I would wager that this guy has over 180 sq/cm of balding in the Norwood area on top. This does not even include his eroded temples.

Bottom line is I would expect this patient to be happy with his results. Also, take into consideration that Cole has shown that body hair results get better after more time. There may be additonal hair growing, but not yet reached a visible length.

Hoping for BHT results!

http://bhtadventresults.blogspot.com/

  

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#29. "100 sq cm?"
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Wed Feb-21-07 09:44 PM by HanginInthere

          

That is only 4 inches by 4 inches

when you include the temples that is probably the size of one temple
where do you come up with 100 sq cm? you need to go back to math class

including both temples, not sure if this guy had both temples done, i would estimate his temples at 60 sq cm EACH
then the top i would estimate is 180 sq cm, so thats now about 250 sq cm if you are talking ONE temple
your calculations are WAY off

maybe you are confusing cm with inches but if you did that you would well never mind


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5)Nettles Leaf Powder 500mg
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#23. "RE: wake up"
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you are still comparing apples to oranges

3500 scalp hairs cannot be lined up side by side to 7000 body hairs
and say see
look they dont match up in yield
you are talking weak thin short body hairs compared to thick luxurious vibrant scalp hairs



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4)Pygeum 500mg
5)Nettles Leaf Powder 500mg
6)Beta Sitosterol 100-200mg (Doctor's A-Z Form

  

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#26. "Hanginginthere"
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Are you referring that response about apples to apples to me?

I said his 7000 Bh looks like 1000 scalp hairs, never once did I compare 7000 BH to 7000 scalp hairs.

I still feel that 1000 scalp hairs would provide better density and coverage then this patient achieved with 7000 body hairs.

  

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#27. "RE: Hanginginthere"
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i dont think this guy has 1000 scalp hairs to spare

personally i think the guy is chasing a dream , being he is so bald to begin with but its his hair his money





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#28. "Dr. Arvind"
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Dr. Arvind thank you for setting this new thread. This is the way to do it, very easy to follow. If I have questions, I will ask in the thread, no need to cluttered up the thread with info, it makes it so difficult to follow.

  

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